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Re: Being tracked on the web

From Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Being tracked on the web
Date 2014-01-23 12:35 +0000
Organization Miskatonic U
Message-ID <slrnle233r.1l2e.g.kreme@amelia.local> (permalink)
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In message <52e09bd8$0$32719$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com> 
  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-01-22 19:02, Your Name wrote:

>> If you really think you're so amazingly interesting that anyone is
>> going to waste the effort trying to personally follow everything you
>> do, then you've got a massive ego and probably your own Twitter account
>> where you keep telling everyone evey minute detail of what you're doing
>> anyway.

> Why then did the NSA and Canada's CSEC built additiona multi billion
> dollar facilities to collect all data ?

Not at all relevant. The type of tracking the NSA does is not going to
be affected at all by your browser extensions.

> The issue here isn't that you are me are interesting. It is that the NSA
> doesn't know who is interesting, so they want to collect anything and
> everything the can to see what is of interest out there.

Even that's not true. The NSA was told to do "anything and everything to
prevent another 9/11" and someone thought, "if we have all the traffic,
then we can do that" without considering "If we have all the traffic, we
don't have the computers, time, or personnel to make any sense of it."
Although it is easy to blame the NSA (and in a shorthand way, I do as
well) the real issue was the broad scope mandated by the executive
branch and the so-called PATRIOT Act bullshit. So, really, if you want
to blame anyone blame those idiotic congress people who voted for the
draconian PATRIOT Act without even reading it.

> They may very well go through your posts and the computers decide you
> are of no interest and pass over that data and not flag it for
> retention. But if you say the wrong thing, they will flag it as
> potientially of interest and you could be wrongly followed more in depth
> until someone realises you are not a threath. But during this time,
> you'll be a person of interest and could encouter problems flying, at
> borders etc.

And there's *nothing* you can do to avoid this short of unplugging from
the Internet. The collection is not happening at your computer, or even
at your ISP, it's happening on the backbones, at the data centers, at
the fibre nexuses.

Even SSL connections to everywhere will not make a difference because
the government has the power to 1) force anyone to give them a copy of
the SSL key and 2) compel those people not to tell anyone the SSL key is
compromised.

> The issue here is that these automated systems will make mistakes and
> wronfully flag people who are no threath to anyone. Just likel happened
> with no fly lists and many other Bush Jr era police state initatives.

I thought we were talking about advertising and companies like Google or
Amazon. If you're talking about the NSA it's an entirely different
conversation.

-- 
The omnipotent eyesight of various supernatural entities is often
remarked upon. It is said that they can see the fall of every sparrow.
And this may be true. But there is only one who is always there when it
hits the ground. --Hogfather

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Being tracked on the web John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-18 21:50 -0800
  Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-18 22:27 -0800
    Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 00:09 -0800
      Re: Being tracked on the web Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> - 2014-01-19 09:58 +0000
        Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 12:17 -0800
      Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 04:59 -0500
  Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-19 19:30 +1300
    Re: Being tracked on the web Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-01-19 15:32 -0600
      Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:12 +1300
        Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 00:14 +0000
        Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-19 19:12 -0800
          Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 18:15 +1300
            Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 00:29 -0500
              Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 19:14 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 01:25 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:13 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 15:22 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:25 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 19:28 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 18:13 -0800
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:29 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 22:57 -0800
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 09:12 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-21 23:13 -0800
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 21:51 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:33 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-20 22:48 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:43 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:56 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 01:10 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 19:35 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 03:29 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 09:11 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 16:13 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-21 21:22 +0000
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 16:22 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 19:40 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 16:53 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 16:30 +0000
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 23:48 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 18:11 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 13:21 +0000
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 08:56 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-22 12:35 -0800
                Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 22:24 +0000
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-22 17:47 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 13:02 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-22 19:45 -0800
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:19 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 23:34 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:26 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 12:35 +0000
                Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-23 05:48 -0800
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 16:09 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 13:08 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-22 23:37 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 18:24 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-23 01:04 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 19:15 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-23 03:16 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-22 22:19 +0000
                Re: Being tracked on the web Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-23 02:15 +0000
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 18:16 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2014-01-22 09:43 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-21 17:22 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-22 13:14 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 23:25 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-20 16:10 -0800
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 16:34 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 23:36 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 18:48 +1300
                Re: Being tracked on the web nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-21 00:10 -0500
                Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-21 00:56 -0500
  Re: Being tracked on the web JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 03:37 -0500
  Re: Being tracked on the web dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-01-19 20:25 +1100
    Re: Being tracked on the web Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-19 14:20 -0500
      Re: Being tracked on the web Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-19 12:26 -0800
  Re: Being tracked on the web Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 13:27 +0000
  Re: Being tracked on the web Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 11:02 -0500
  Re: Being tracked on the web me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-01-19 16:08 +0000
    Re: Being tracked on the web John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-19 08:24 -0800
  Re: Being tracked on the web Earl Grey <earl@t.net> - 2014-01-19 12:43 -0500
    Re: Being tracked on the web Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-19 12:46 -0500
  Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 18:54 +0000
    Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
      Re: Being tracked on the web Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 00:03 +0000
  Re: Being tracked on the web John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-19 13:49 -0500
    Re: Being tracked on the web J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-19 18:12 -0500
      Re: Being tracked on the web John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2014-01-20 14:57 -0500

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