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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Is this kosher wrt Generic? |
| Date | 2019-11-06 10:17 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <qpu32r$aph$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 06/11/2019 00:12, Bart wrote:
> On 05/11/2019 22:34, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 06/11/2019 11:16, Bart wrote:
>
>>>
>>> A lot of the complexity in C++ appears to me gratuitous.
>>
>> You say that about a lot of things.
>
> Maybe it is true about a lot of things! (Eg. auto-conf scripts.)
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism>
>
>>> Even when it isn't, a considerable amount is exposed to the compiler
>>> (ie. each time it runs, it has to process library source code to
>>> implement features which in another language are compiled once)
>>
>> So?
>
> So it makes the process cumbersome.
>
>> Some, much is built in. Compilers aren't psychic, if you use a
>> library function incorrectly, the compiler will tell you that you have
>> used it incorrectly.
>
> But for features which you may not even know is a library function? I
> don't actually know which bit of C++ is implemented in a library, and
> which part is a built-in core feature.
You know little about C++, yet feel qualified to tell people what a
terrible language it is and what its problems are?
It's fine to look at a language and say "that doesn't look like the sort
of language I want to learn and use - it's not a language for me". For
anything beyond that, you simply don't know enough to judge. (Here's a
clue for you - when lots of other people manage to use a language or
tool successfully, and you don't, maybe the problem is /not/ with the
language or tool.)
>
>>> Advocates for the language like to pretend that it is for experts.
>>
>> I don't, often I'd claim the opposite. Creating and using a
>> dynamically expandable robust array or string in C is much more of an
>> "expert" problem than it is in C++.
>
> This is a fragment I came across today:
>
> for (auto i=0; ....)
>
> I assumed i takes its type from the zero, and wondered what would happen
> here:
>
> #include <iostream>
>
> int main() {
> for (auto i=0; i<=5000000000; i+=100000000) {
> std::cout << i << std::endl;
> }
> }
>
> And I was right: i has type i32, and it will wrap or generate UB. Not
> what you intended anyway. That 'auto' gives a false sense of security. A
> compiler may report something given enough options, but apparently not
> if the limit is a i64 variable.
"auto" has its uses and its weaknesses, like every other feature in
programming. The trick is to learn the programming language and how to
use it.
>
> BTW what happened to "_" separators for those long constants which I
> thought C++ had? Neither my g++ nor rextester seems to like them.
You are confused - the C++ digit separator is '.
>
> I mentioned something about getting basic features right in an earlier
> post, a lot of languages don't, yet do have esoteric ones.
>
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