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| From | Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics, alt.global-warming |
| Subject | Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated |
| Date | 2015-07-26 18:37 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <mp3qsl$ktu$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 7/26/2015 5:41 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: > On 7/26/2015 3:32 PM, Unum wrote: >> On 7/26/2015 3:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>> On 7/26/2015 12:36 PM, Unum wrote: >>>> On 7/26/2015 2:03 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>> On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote: >>>>>> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics', >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisions, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015. Oh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> days. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that >>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> somehow, at >>>>>>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 >>>>>>>>>>> years, >>>>>>>>>>> Redraw >>>>>>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in >>>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic >>>>>>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean? Is that what yer regard as >>>>>>>>> sciency >>>>>>>>> language, lil buddy? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content >>>>>>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious >>>>>>>> and clear meaning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe! Yer >>>>>>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating >>>>>>> fruitcakes >>>>>>> and weasels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it >>>>>>>>> should mean >>>>>>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute. >>>>>>>>> Hansen has >>>>>>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or >>>>>>>>> more of >>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>> claims fails the criteria. In reality there is actually no such >>>>>>>>> thing as >>>>>>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which >>>>>>>>> have yet >>>>>>>>> to be contradicted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you >>>>>>>> aren't citing any of it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy! >>>>>> >>>>>> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine >>>>>> by me! >>>>> >>>>> Keep looking. >>>> >>>> Will I see something that isn't there? >>>> >>>>>>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what >>>>>>>>> standard of >>>>>>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of >>>>>>>>> "scientifically >>>>>>>>> correct". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no >>>>>>> errors" or >>>>>>> "conforming to fact". How exactly do you assert that a future >>>>>>> prediction >>>>>>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"? >>>>>> >>>>>> So that's your personal bogus interpretation? >>>>> >>>>> Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in >>>>> adjective form. >>>>> >>>>> "conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate" >>>> >>>> I can understand why you would be so desperate to interpret the >>>> phrase as something impossible to achieve. I'll stick with my perfectly >>>> reasonable definition below. >>> >>> And I'll stick to pointing out the unsciency foolishness of yer >>> definition. >> >> You begged me on your knees for a clarification and I explained it to >> you. Meanwhile land ice melting has accelerated, hasn't it. >> >> "On average, some 310 cubic kilometres of ice was lost from the ice >> shelves each year during this time, and the rate of loss is increasing >> rapidly." > > Keywest Florida didn't get the message: That the rate of loss is increasing rapidly? Other places seem to be getting it. > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large So now Key West is the one place on Earth that reflects SLR all over the planet? Your "conforming to fact or truth" didn't last very long. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/searise.html http://www.grida.no/publications/vg/climate/page/3072.aspx http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/impact_sea_level_rise.html >>>>> We'll just say it >>>>>> means "conforming with the principles of science". >>>>> >>>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming >>>>> to fact >>>>> or truth, free from error, and accurate? >>>> >>>> Its simply in conformance with observed empirical evidence such as >>>> accelerating melting of land ice as has been posted here many times. >>> >>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact? >>> >>>>>>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are >>>>>>> perfectly in >>>>>>> character... >>>>>> >>>>>> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase >>>>>> pretty quick, don't you. >>>>> >>>>> Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever. >>>> >>>> We'll just note that you did in fact resort to personal attack. >>> >>> The whore Unum takes one ettiquette class and suddenly she becomes >>> self-righteous about courtesy and manners! Considering yer extensive >>> history >>> of Tourette syndrome, ironic doesn't begin to cover it. Have you been >>> taking >>> Tourette suppressants, or something? >> >> Getting a little excited? >> >>> And what's with the use of majestic plurals, did your ettiquette class >>> elevate >>> your caste to royalty? >>> >>> And not just >> >> Click send a little too soon? > > So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact? You are welcome to try to find something in a lieblog that indicates otherwise. Better scramble! 90% of the Florida keys are less than 5ft above sea level. Key West is at about 3 feet.
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Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 19:06 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 20:18 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 19:22 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-23 23:23 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-25 09:54 -0500
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Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-25 11:32 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-25 10:00 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-25 12:44 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 10:54 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 14:28 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-25 11:07 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 12:19 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 10:38 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 13:09 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the worlds coasts by the end of the centurysooner than previously anticipated Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-07-26 14:27 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 12:03 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 14:36 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 13:38 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 17:32 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 15:41 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 18:37 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 18:39 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 21:11 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-27 08:57 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-27 17:53 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-26 21:57 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-27 00:17 +0000
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Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Paul Aubrin <chu8i443@free.fr> - 2015-07-25 19:27 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 12:29 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Paul Aubrin <chu8i443@free.fr> - 2015-07-26 18:40 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 14:24 -0500
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Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 11:07 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 13:15 -0400
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Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world¢s coasts by the end of the centurysooner than previously anticipated Desertphile <Desertphile@nospam.org> - 2015-07-29 13:33 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-29 19:48 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-25 21:04 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Paul Aubrin <chu8i443@free.fr> - 2015-07-25 18:34 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century---sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 16:04 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-24 03:18 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-24 00:51 +0000
Re: Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Nobody <not@home.anymore> - 2015-07-24 01:49 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 00:18 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 07:32 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 16:14 -0700
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Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-25 06:45 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 10:45 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-25 16:57 +0000
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