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| From | Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics, alt.global-warming |
| Subject | Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated |
| Date | 2015-07-26 15:41 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <mp3njh$uhb$4@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (19 earlier) <mp37mj$fl2$1@dont-email.me> <mp3arr$4ep$13@dont-email.me> <mp3coi$4gs$1@dont-email.me> <mp3gdj$4ep$18@dont-email.me> <mp3n2g$9s1$3@dont-email.me> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 7/26/2015 3:32 PM, Unum wrote: > On 7/26/2015 3:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >> On 7/26/2015 12:36 PM, Unum wrote: >>> On 7/26/2015 2:03 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>> On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote: >>>>> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics', >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisions, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015. Oh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> examine >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the person. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to >>>>>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of >>>>>>>>>>>>> days. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that >>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> somehow, at >>>>>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 >>>>>>>>>> years, >>>>>>>>>> Redraw >>>>>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in >>>>>>>>>> order to >>>>>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic >>>>>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean? Is that what yer regard as >>>>>>>> sciency >>>>>>>> language, lil buddy? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content >>>>>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious >>>>>>> and clear meaning. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe! Yer >>>>>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating >>>>>> fruitcakes >>>>>> and weasels. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it >>>>>>>> should mean >>>>>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute. >>>>>>>> Hansen has >>>>>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or >>>>>>>> more of >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> claims fails the criteria. In reality there is actually no such >>>>>>>> thing as >>>>>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which >>>>>>>> have yet >>>>>>>> to be contradicted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you >>>>>>> aren't citing any of it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy! >>>>> >>>>> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine >>>>> by me! >>>> >>>> Keep looking. >>> >>> Will I see something that isn't there? >>> >>>>>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what >>>>>>>> standard of >>>>>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of >>>>>>>> "scientifically >>>>>>>> correct". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help. >>>>>> >>>>>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no >>>>>> errors" or >>>>>> "conforming to fact". How exactly do you assert that a future >>>>>> prediction >>>>>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"? >>>>> >>>>> So that's your personal bogus interpretation? >>>> >>>> Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in >>>> adjective form. >>>> >>>> "conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate" >>> >>> I can understand why you would be so desperate to interpret the >>> phrase as something impossible to achieve. I'll stick with my perfectly >>> reasonable definition below. >> >> And I'll stick to pointing out the unsciency foolishness of yer >> definition. > > You begged me on your knees for a clarification and I explained it to > you. Meanwhile land ice melting has accelerated, hasn't it. > > "On average, some 310 cubic kilometres of ice was lost from the ice > shelves each year during this time, and the rate of loss is increasing > rapidly." Keywest Florida didn't get the message: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large > >>>> We'll just say it >>>>> means "conforming with the principles of science". >>>> >>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming >>>> to fact >>>> or truth, free from error, and accurate? >>> >>> Its simply in conformance with observed empirical evidence such as >>> accelerating melting of land ice as has been posted here many times. >> >> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact? >> >>>>>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are >>>>>> perfectly in >>>>>> character... >>>>> >>>>> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase >>>>> pretty quick, don't you. >>>> >>>> Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever. >>> >>> We'll just note that you did in fact resort to personal attack. >> >> The whore Unum takes one ettiquette class and suddenly she becomes >> self-righteous about courtesy and manners! Considering yer extensive >> history >> of Tourette syndrome, ironic doesn't begin to cover it. Have you been >> taking >> Tourette suppressants, or something? > > Getting a little excited? > >> And what's with the use of majestic plurals, did your ettiquette class >> elevate >> your caste to royalty? >> >> And not just > > Click send a little too soon? So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?
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Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 16:34 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 18:41 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 17:57 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 19:00 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 18:14 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 19:22 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Simeom <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-23 20:40 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-24 01:44 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 19:06 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 20:18 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 19:22 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-23 23:23 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-25 09:54 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the worlds coasts by the end of the centurysooner than previously anticipated Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-07-25 11:03 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-25 11:32 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-25 10:00 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-25 12:44 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 10:54 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 14:28 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-25 11:07 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 12:19 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 10:38 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 13:09 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the worlds coasts by the end of the centurysooner than previously anticipated Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-07-26 14:27 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 12:03 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 14:36 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 13:38 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 17:32 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 15:41 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 18:37 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 18:39 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 21:11 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-27 08:57 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-27 17:53 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-26 21:57 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-27 00:17 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-26 21:44 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Paul Aubrin <chu8i443@free.fr> - 2015-07-25 19:27 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 12:29 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Paul Aubrin <chu8i443@free.fr> - 2015-07-26 18:40 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 14:24 -0500
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the worlds coasts by the end of the centurysooner than previously anticipated Desertphile <Desertphile@nospam.org> - 2015-07-29 07:53 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 11:07 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 13:15 -0400
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Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world¢s coasts by the end of the centurysooner than previously anticipated Desertphile <Desertphile@nospam.org> - 2015-07-29 13:33 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-29 19:48 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-25 21:04 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Paul Aubrin <chu8i443@free.fr> - 2015-07-25 18:34 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century---sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 16:04 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-24 03:18 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-24 00:51 +0000
Re: Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Nobody <not@home.anymore> - 2015-07-24 01:49 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 00:18 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 07:32 -0400
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 16:14 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-07-24 21:23 -0700
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-25 06:45 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 10:45 -0600
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-25 16:57 +0000
Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 20:56 -0700
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