Re: Why Johnny can?t code

From	Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Why Johnny can?t code
Date	2014-09-03 21:35 +0000
Organization	My Linux Box
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Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Rich wrote:

> > Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, greymaus wrote:
> >
> >>> On 2014-09-02, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2014-09-02, Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
> >>>>> HGR:FOR I=0 TO 1 STEP 0:HCOLOR=RND(1)*8:HPLOT
> >>>>> RND(1)*280,RND(1)*160 TO RND(1)*280,RND(1)*160:NEXT I
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and get something right away.  The only other possibly
> >>>>> interactive programming language with graphics capability that
> >>>>> comes to mind is PostScript, but that's about all that it does.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you tried to teach kids postscript they'd change disciplines
> >>>> and go study anthropology or gender studies or something, or maybe
> >>>> slit their wrists.  Postscript isn't fun.  TeX isn't either.
> >>>>
> >>>> I learned Pascal and FORTRAN-77 back in the day.  Why can't those
> >>>> be taught?  Pascal was pretty darned simple.
> >>>
> >>> Postscript is not fun, its not supposd to be,You have utilites for
> >>> that. Amending a `raw' Postscript file is work for idiots.
> >>>
> >> I thought the only proponent of Postscript as a general programming
> >> language was Don Lancaster. But then, he had an Apple laserprinter
> >> that had a more powerful CPU than the original Macintosh, more
> >> memory, and eventually he had a model that had a hard drive built in.
> >> And he had it hooked up to an Apple II.  No wonder he thought that
> >> Postscript was a good language, he had way more power in the
> >> laserprinter than in his computer.
> >
> > Ah, now that brings back memories of Don Lancaster's columns in
> > computer shopper from eon's ago.  Yes, it always was a huge irony, that
> > even after he got a Mac, that his printer was a significantly faster
> > computer than his actual computer itself.
> >
> > Postscript's not so bad, provided you write the whole doc. yourself
> > from the beginning.
> >
> > But trying to grok the output from any postscript generating program
> > will quickly lead to madness.
> >
> >
> Isn't it supposed to be kind of like FORTH?

It is very much like FORTH.  RPN stack based.

If you've got linux, you likely have ghostscript installed (and if not
it should be in your distro's repo), in which case you could experiment
without consuming loads of paper and toner like Don L. had to do back
in the 80's with his LaserWriter.

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Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 10:02 +0000
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-09-02 12:23 +0100
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-09-02 14:43 +0100
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-09-02 16:40 +0200
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-09-03 12:43 +1000
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-09-02 15:17 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-09-02 18:24 +0000
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 21:01 +0000
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code greymaus <greymausg@mail.com> - 2014-09-03 14:55 +0000
            Re: Why Johnny can?t code Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-09-03 18:04 +0100
            Re: Why Johnny can?t code Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-09-03 14:38 -0400
              Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-03 19:55 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-09-03 17:33 -0400
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-03 21:35 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-09-04 15:24 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-04 20:17 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 18:56 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-09-03 20:59 +0200
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 18:45 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-09-02 20:50 +0100
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-09-03 21:05 +0200
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-09-02 16:56 +0200
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-09-02 16:09 +0100
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-09-04 14:57 +0000
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-09-04 15:24 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can't code Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-09-05 02:33 -0300
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-02 14:08 -0600
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 20:55 +0000
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-02 21:02 +0000
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-02 23:07 -0600
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-04 10:58 +0000
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-04 11:09 +0000
            Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-04 11:17 +0000
              Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-04 22:58 -0600
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 11:38 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-05 13:55 -0600
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 20:02 +0000
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-09-04 14:28 +0300
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2014-09-04 20:27 +0100
            Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-04 19:55 +0000
              Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-04 22:50 -0600
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 11:37 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-09-05 13:05 +0100
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 15:22 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-05 13:48 -0600
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 20:09 +0000
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-09-03 12:26 +1000
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2014-09-04 00:34 +0100
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-09-04 15:01 +0000

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