Re: Why Johnny can?t code

From	Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Why Johnny can?t code
Date	2014-09-03 17:33 -0400
Organization	National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Rich wrote:

> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, greymaus wrote:
>
>>> On 2014-09-02, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-09-02, Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
>>>>> HGR:FOR I=0 TO 1 STEP 0:HCOLOR=RND(1)*8:HPLOT
>>>>> RND(1)*280,RND(1)*160 TO RND(1)*280,RND(1)*160:NEXT I
>>>>>
>>>>> and get something right away.  The only other possibly
>>>>> interactive programming language with graphics capability that
>>>>> comes to mind is PostScript, but that's about all that it does.
>>>>
>>>> If you tried to teach kids postscript they'd change disciplines
>>>> and go study anthropology or gender studies or something, or maybe
>>>> slit their wrists.  Postscript isn't fun.  TeX isn't either.
>>>>
>>>> I learned Pascal and FORTRAN-77 back in the day.  Why can't those
>>>> be taught?  Pascal was pretty darned simple.
>>>
>>> Postscript is not fun, its not supposd to be,You have utilites for
>>> that. Amending a `raw' Postscript file is work for idiots.
>>>
>> I thought the only proponent of Postscript as a general programming
>> language was Don Lancaster. But then, he had an Apple laserprinter
>> that had a more powerful CPU than the original Macintosh, more
>> memory, and eventually he had a model that had a hard drive built in.
>> And he had it hooked up to an Apple II.  No wonder he thought that
>> Postscript was a good language, he had way more power in the
>> laserprinter than in his computer.
>
> Ah, now that brings back memories of Don Lancaster's columns in
> computer shopper from eon's ago.  Yes, it always was a huge irony, that
> even after he got a Mac, that his printer was a significantly faster
> computer than his actual computer itself.
>
> Postscript's not so bad, provided you write the whole doc. yourself
> from the beginning.
>
> But trying to grok the output from any postscript generating program
> will quickly lead to madness.
>
>
Isn't it supposed to be kind of like FORTH?

The closest I've come is to patch a postscript file so it prints multiple 
copies, right at the beginning there's a line about that, easy to find 
once you know what to look for.

   Michael

Thread

Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 10:02 +0000
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-09-02 12:23 +0100
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-09-02 14:43 +0100
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-09-02 16:40 +0200
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-09-03 12:43 +1000
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-09-02 15:17 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-09-02 18:24 +0000
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 21:01 +0000
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code greymaus <greymausg@mail.com> - 2014-09-03 14:55 +0000
            Re: Why Johnny can?t code Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-09-03 18:04 +0100
            Re: Why Johnny can?t code Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-09-03 14:38 -0400
              Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-03 19:55 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-09-03 17:33 -0400
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-03 21:35 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-09-04 15:24 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-04 20:17 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 18:56 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-09-03 20:59 +0200
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 18:45 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-09-02 20:50 +0100
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-09-03 21:05 +0200
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-09-02 16:56 +0200
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-09-02 16:09 +0100
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-09-04 14:57 +0000
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-09-04 15:24 +0000
        Re: Why Johnny can't code Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-09-05 02:33 -0300
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-02 14:08 -0600
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-02 20:55 +0000
    Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-02 21:02 +0000
      Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-02 23:07 -0600
        Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-04 10:58 +0000
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-04 11:09 +0000
            Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-04 11:17 +0000
              Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-04 22:58 -0600
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 11:38 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-05 13:55 -0600
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 20:02 +0000
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-09-04 14:28 +0300
          Re: Why Johnny can?t code RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2014-09-04 20:27 +0100
            Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-04 19:55 +0000
              Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-04 22:50 -0600
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 11:37 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-09-05 13:05 +0100
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 15:22 +0000
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-09-05 13:48 -0600
                Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-09-05 20:09 +0000
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-09-03 12:26 +1000
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> - 2014-09-04 00:34 +0100
  Re: Why Johnny can?t code Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-09-04 15:01 +0000

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