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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF |
| Date | 2017-01-15 16:54 -0800 |
| Organization | None to speak of |
| Message-ID | <lnwpdvg6yi.fsf@kst-u.example.com> (permalink) |
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Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
>> Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
>>> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Looking through the Standard for uses of "requires", it seems
>>> clear that the "requires" in 7.21.2 is used in a different sense
>>> than most or all other uses of "requires". We know what is meant
>>> when we say the Standard (or IEC 60559, etc) requires something.
>>> But lines in a file don't "require" anything, at least not in the
>>> same way that the Standard does. So the assumption that the
>>> "requires" of 7.21.2 means the same thing it does in other places
>>> is suspect.
>>>
>>> If you have a chance to look through the Standard for "requires"
>>> (there are perhaps ten to twenty occurrences), please do and
>>> see if you think my comments in the last paragraph are apt.
>>
>> I'll try to come back to this later.
>
> Okay, I look forward to your later followup.
I haven't looked at every use of the word "requires" in the Standard.
Uses of "require", "required", and "requirement(s)" are also relevant.
There are, if I've counted correctly, 196 such uses in N1570.
In general, the standard can impose requirements on the beahavior of
(conforming) implementations or of programs, and most of the uses of
forms of "require" are consistent with that. The sentence in question,
in 7.21.2, is:
Whether the last line [of a text stream] requires a terminating
new-line character is implementation-defined.
and I'm assuming only the English menaing of the word "require". It
seems to attempt to impose a requirement on a text stream, which is at
least quite different from other requirements. And it is, in my
opinion, just plain poorly written.
>>>> What "implementation-defined property" are you referring to? If it's
>>>> implementation-defined, there's a specific requirement in the standard
>>>> for the behavior to be documented.
>>>
>>> I believe the statement in 7.21.2 is meant to say that the rules
>>> for what happens in such cases is implementation-defined. I
>>> agree that the actual text used doesn't express this very well,
>>> but it's still the most sensible way of reading it that I can
>>> find. Moreover, regardless of whether you agree that it is the
>>> most sensible reading, I think it stands up as a /plausible/
>>> reading, which has been my main point all along.
>>
>> The actual text:
>>
>> Whether the last line requires a terminating new-line character is
>> implementation-defined.
>>
>> doesn't express that *at all*. The thing that is
>> implementation-defined, that the implementation is required to
>> document, is whether the terminating new-line is required or not.
>> It's very clear about what the implementation is required to define,
>> namely the answer to a yes-or-no question. I see nothing suggesting
>> that an implementation must, or even should, define what happens
>> if the new-line is required and is not provided.
>
> I believe you have this reaction because you don't yet realize the
> significance of the different sense in how the word is used here.
Precisely what "different sense" do you see? I agree it's used in a
different sense, but I don't believe there's enough information to
determine what that sense is.
> However, let's ignore that for a moment, and for the sake of
> discussion let's adopt your assumption that a "yes" or "no" is all
> that's needed. Now consider an implementation whose answer to the
> question is "Yes". What does the requirement mean? Remember, we
> aren't talking about behavior here, but about a requirement. In
> order to make sense of what is implied, the requirement must be
> well-defined. For example, suppose there were a constraint
>
> Output buffers require all intermediate shift states be
> represented using a binary numbering system.
>
> There is no way to evaluate that requirement because we don't know
> what its implications are. Similarly, suppose in our putative
> implementation we have a program (disclaimer: I'm just typing this
> in, please excuse any minor errors):
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> int
> main(){
> FILE *f = fopen( "foo.bas", "w" );
> if(f){
> fprintf( f, "%s\n", "Oh happy day!" );
> fprintf( f, "%s", "Oh unhappy day!" );
> fclose( f );
> }
> return 0;
> }
>
> and run it (presumably with the fopen() call succeeding). What
> does the implementation's "Yes" answer imply? Does it imply
>
> (a) that the text file is written successfully, with only one
> line in it? or
> (b) that a file is written successfully, but it is not able
> to be read as a text file? or
> (c) that no new file appears in the external file system? or
> (d) that the call to fclose() gives an error return, with
> uncertain consequences for the file, but otherwise the
> program completes execution normally? or
> (e) some unknown consequence not listed above?
>
> The answer to the question is that we don't know, because what
> the specificational consequences are for a "Yes" answer is not
> well-defined. In order to be interpreted reliably, statements
> of requirement must be well-defined, as otherwise we don't know
> what needs to be done to meet the requirement.
Right. We don't know the answer because the Standard doesn't say what
the answer is.
> So apparently we have a choice. We can say the Standard is not
> clear as to what is meant,
That's what I say.
> or we can say the Standard stipulates
> that the implementation must define what the rules are in the
> case of a "yes" answer.
How is that a reasonable choice? Nothing in the Standard requires an
implementation to define those rules.
> Either way, whether the fclose() in
> the program above constitutes undefined behavior is only one
> possible reading among several, not an absolute certainty.
It's clear to me that the Standard is not clear. The requirement in
question is badly written.
If the trailing new-line is required, and an implementation documents
that it's required, nothing in the standard either defines the behavior
of an fclose() or requires an implementation to document the behavior.
That is, by definition, undefined behavior. If you think the Standard
either defines the behavior or requires an implementation to document
the behavior, please point out where it does so.
Now perhaps the Committee didn't *intend* it to be undefined behavior,
but I'm not inclined to try to read their minds.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 07:31 -0800
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-26 12:03 -0800
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-28 09:33 +0000
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-26 13:50 -0800
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 10:33 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-28 20:48 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-29 15:31 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-29 18:56 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-29 01:03 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 01:33 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 00:16 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-29 14:05 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 23:49 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-28 15:34 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-28 08:49 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-04 12:55 -0500
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-29 00:19 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-12-29 13:01 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-12-29 07:35 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-29 08:58 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-01-01 15:21 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-29 09:19 -0800
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-30 09:02 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-02 02:22 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF "Peter \"Shaggy\" Haywood" <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2016-12-31 00:22 +1100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-02 03:29 -0800
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-02 14:01 -0800
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-02 16:49 -0800
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-03 08:47 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 15:39 -0800
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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 20:00 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-13 08:24 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-02 13:15 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-02 17:00 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-02 19:48 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-13 09:32 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-13 12:52 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-15 15:46 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-15 16:54 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-30 11:25 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-30 14:06 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-29 06:07 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-13 15:11 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:37 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-27 19:29 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 11:41 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 10:30 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 16:08 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 12:50 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:59 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-27 10:56 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-27 12:24 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 08:35 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-28 09:16 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 10:08 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-27 22:34 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 08:39 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 02:20 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 10:11 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 00:20 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-29 14:56 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 22:35 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-30 22:45 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-31 00:01 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-31 03:19 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 00:20 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 00:23 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 00:29 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-31 11:10 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 10:53 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-31 20:24 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-29 00:53 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 01:28 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-29 14:48 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 22:19 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 01:55 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 10:14 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-29 11:44 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 02:02 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 03:13 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 14:49 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 03:28 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 03:45 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 13:53 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 08:23 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 03:50 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 13:35 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-30 15:22 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 08:29 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 16:51 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 10:50 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-31 19:02 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-31 20:10 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 04:08 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-01 12:38 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-01 13:45 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-01 13:54 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 15:26 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-01 16:46 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 17:08 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 08:13 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-01 16:47 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 16:53 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 09:18 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-01-01 19:20 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-01 15:18 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 03:41 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 15:07 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 09:05 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 19:16 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 03:39 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 04:02 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-02 13:48 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-02 13:47 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 07:21 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-02 18:38 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 10:57 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-02 21:48 +0000
POSIX, was: Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 15:58 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-31 21:03 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 11:30 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-02 19:45 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-01-02 19:56 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-02 21:09 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 11:01 +1300
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 12:45 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 14:09 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 15:07 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-04 09:13 +1300
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 11:53 +1300
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-02 15:40 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:16 +1300
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 00:01 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:21 +1300
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-01-03 08:40 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 12:50 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 14:42 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 15:11 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 16:32 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 17:24 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 17:48 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 18:56 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 19:46 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:37 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-02 13:56 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 03:52 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 14:20 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:19 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-04 03:30 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 02:23 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-01-04 02:56 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 07:06 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-04 15:21 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 03:01 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 11:51 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 04:04 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 14:23 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-04 12:26 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 13:38 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-05 16:25 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-04 12:21 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:52 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 14:13 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 07:54 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 07:59 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:12 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 17:15 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 09:19 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:28 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 17:20 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 10:45 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 09:02 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 19:49 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 13:28 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-05 16:14 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-06 00:50 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 06:11 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-06 16:33 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 12:14 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 02:15 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 21:51 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 03:32 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 21:57 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 01:51 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 02:09 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 04:09 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 22:05 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 03:43 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-08 21:36 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 04:33 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-09 21:44 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 23:54 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 02:04 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-10 11:28 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 04:25 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-10 14:14 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-10 14:52 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 07:02 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 00:11 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-01-12 01:13 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 01:41 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-12 09:55 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 10:25 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-08 19:02 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 05:27 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-01-07 17:06 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 08:11 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-05 16:04 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-04 12:36 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-04 12:49 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 05:19 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-04 15:14 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:57 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-05 08:24 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:58 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-04 13:02 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 03:37 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 02:46 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 11:25 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 02:43 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-02 22:45 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-29 10:17 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 00:42 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 00:51 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-29 11:25 +0000
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-28 20:57 +0100
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 23:16 -0800
Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-26 14:38 -0800
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