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Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF
Date 2016-12-29 09:19 -0800
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Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
[...]
>> The C standard says that for a text stream, it's implementation-defined
>> whether the final line requires a trailing '\n'.  If it *is* required by
>> the current implementation, the behavior of reading a text file with no
>> '\n' on the last line is undefined.  [...]
>
> That is one plausible interpretation.
>
> Another plausible interpretation is that the situation described
> simply cannot exist.  If a file is closed with a non-empty last
> line, but no newline, then that last line is either discarded or
> it is written with a newline appended.  The file system may have
> no way to represent a text file with a non-empty last line but
> without a trailing newline;  or, if it does, an attempt to read
> such a line may read nothing and return EOF, or it may give the
> line with a newline appended.  And which of these alternatives is
> meant to hold must be specified as part of the documentation that
> specifies what the implementation-defined requirement means in
> this implementation.

The relevant wording, N1570 7.21.2p2, is:

    A text stream is an ordered sequence of characters composed into
    lines, each line consisting of zero or more characters plus a
    terminating new-line character. Whether the last line requires
    a terminating new-line character is implementation-defined.

I find that second sentence a bit sloppy.  On what entity is that
requirement imposed?

You're suggesting that it imposes a requirement on the I/O functions,
to ensure that the created text file has a terminating new-line
even if the program doesn't provide one.

> Personally, I think the second of these is more likely than
> the first.  But both are plausible interpretations of what
> the Standard is intended to prescribe.

I agree that the second is more likely, and certainly more
user-friendly.

But in my opinion, an implementation where

    FILE *f = fopen("foo.txt", "w");
    fputs("foo", f);
    fclose(f);

results in a file that is not a valid text file, and cannot be
successfully opened with fopen("foo.txt", "r"), would be conforming.
On such an implementation, the requirement of 7.21.2p2 is imposed
on the program, not on the runtime library.

(For that matter, an fopen() call can fail for any reason.)

On a Unix-like system, a file is a sequence of bytes, and *any*
file can be a valid text file (possibly containing one very
long unterminated line).  On other systems, text files are more
restricted.  On  Windows, if I write "foo\n\r" to a file in binary
mode, the result is not a valid text file (actually I'm not sure
of that, but one can imagine similar scenarios on other systems).
I suggest that, on a system that requires that terminating new-line,
writing "foo" to a file can create something that is not a valid
text file.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 00:31 -0800
  Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-26 01:19 -0800
    Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 02:25 -0800
      Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-26 14:04 -0800
  Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-26 12:04 +0000
    Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 05:49 -0800
      Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-26 15:20 +0000
        Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 07:31 -0800
        Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <mx2927@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 16:44 +0100
          Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 08:00 -0800
          Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-26 17:43 +0000
          Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-26 12:03 -0800
            Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 23:56 -0800
              Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-28 09:33 +0000
  Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <mx2927@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 17:06 +0100
    Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 09:48 -0800
      Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-26 19:03 +0100
        Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 10:39 -0800
          Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-26 19:49 +0000
          Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-26 20:56 +0100
            Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-26 13:50 -0800
              Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 00:27 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-28 09:35 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 10:33 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-28 20:48 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-29 15:31 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-29 18:56 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-29 01:03 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 01:33 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 00:16 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-29 14:05 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 23:49 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-28 15:34 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-28 08:49 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-04 12:55 -0500
              Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-29 00:19 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-12-29 13:01 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-12-29 07:35 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-29 08:58 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-01-01 15:21 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-29 09:19 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2016-12-30 08:39 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-30 09:02 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-02 02:22 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF "Peter \"Shaggy\" Haywood" <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2016-12-31 00:22 +1100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-02 03:29 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-02 10:09 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-02 14:01 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-02 16:35 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-02 16:49 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-03 05:32 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-03 08:47 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 15:39 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-02 17:35 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 20:00 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-13 08:24 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-02 13:15 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-02 17:00 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-02 19:48 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-13 09:32 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-13 12:52 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-15 15:46 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-15 16:54 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-30 11:25 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-30 14:06 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-29 06:07 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-13 15:11 -0800
            Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:37 -0800
              Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-27 19:29 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 11:41 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 10:30 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 16:08 -0800
              Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 12:50 -0800
            Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-27 09:59 -0800
              Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-27 10:56 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-27 12:24 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 08:35 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-28 09:16 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 10:08 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-27 22:34 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 08:39 -0800
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                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 00:20 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-29 14:56 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 22:35 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-30 22:45 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-31 00:01 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-31 03:19 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 00:20 -0800
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                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-31 11:10 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 10:53 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-31 20:24 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-29 00:53 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 01:28 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-29 14:48 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 22:19 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 01:55 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-29 10:14 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-29 11:44 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 02:02 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 03:13 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 14:49 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 03:28 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 03:45 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 13:53 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 08:23 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 03:50 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 13:35 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-30 15:22 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 08:29 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-30 16:51 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 10:50 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-31 19:02 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-31 20:10 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 04:08 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-01 12:38 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-01 13:45 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-01 13:54 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 15:26 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-01 16:46 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 17:08 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 08:13 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-01 16:47 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 16:53 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 09:18 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-01-01 19:20 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-01 15:18 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 03:41 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 15:07 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 09:05 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-01 19:16 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 03:39 -0800
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                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-02 13:48 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-02 13:47 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 07:21 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-02 18:38 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 10:57 -0800
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                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 11:30 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-02 19:45 +0000
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                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-02 21:09 +0000
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                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 14:09 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 15:07 +0000
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                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 11:53 +1300
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                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:16 +1300
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 00:01 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:21 +1300
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-01-03 08:40 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 12:50 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 14:42 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 15:11 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 16:32 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 17:24 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 17:48 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-03 18:56 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 19:46 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:37 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-02 13:56 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 03:52 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 14:20 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:19 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-04 03:30 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 02:23 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-01-04 02:56 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 07:06 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-04 15:21 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 03:01 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 11:51 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 04:04 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 14:23 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-04 12:26 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 13:38 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-05 16:25 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-04 12:21 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:52 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 14:13 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 07:54 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 07:59 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:12 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 17:15 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 09:19 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 08:28 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 17:20 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 10:45 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 09:02 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-05 19:49 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 13:28 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-05 16:14 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-06 00:50 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 06:11 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-06 16:33 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 12:14 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 02:15 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 21:51 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 03:32 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 21:57 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 01:51 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 02:09 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 04:09 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 22:05 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 03:43 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-08 21:36 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 04:33 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-09 21:44 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 23:54 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 02:04 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-10 11:28 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 04:25 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-10 14:14 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-10 14:52 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 07:02 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 00:11 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-01-12 01:13 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 01:41 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-12 09:55 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 10:25 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-08 19:02 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 05:27 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-01-07 17:06 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 08:11 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-05 16:04 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-04 12:36 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-04 12:49 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 05:19 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-04 15:14 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:57 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-05 08:24 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:58 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-01-04 13:02 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 03:37 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 02:46 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-03 11:25 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 02:43 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-02 22:45 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-29 10:17 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 00:42 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 00:51 -0800
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-29 11:25 +0000
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2016-12-28 20:57 +0100
                Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-28 23:16 -0800
          Re: Reading lines from a file, eliminating CR and LF Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-26 14:38 -0800

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