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Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors

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Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 9/18/2016 2:37 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> nuny@bid.nes <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:16:05 AM UTC-7,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/18/2016 3:55 AM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 6:47:02 PM UTC-7, Michael
>>>>>> Strickland wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:20:18 -0500, Serigo
>>>>>>> <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The electrostatic potential gradient between the Earth
>>>>>>>> and the Ionosphere is about 100Vm-1 near the surface in
>>>>>>>> summer, rising to 300Vm-1 in winter. It is well known
>>>>>>>> that electrostatic motors can be driven by the
>>>>>>>> atmospheric electric field indefinitely from an
>>>>>>>> appropriate antenna and earth connection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The deal-breaker is the miniscule power available. Kilovolts,
>>>>>> but the total amount of current passing from the ionosphere
>>>>>> to the surface is less than two thousand amps. The current
>>>>>> that through a square meter parallel to Earth's surface is
>>>>>> about ten *pico*amps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_09.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That means you need a large antenna to get even detectable
>>>>>> current, let alone enough to do useful work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's doable, but not feasible. How many acres of land can you
>>>>>> afford to cover with a copper mesh roof a thousand feet
>>>>>> high?
>>>>>
>>>>> copper would corrode, but you could use copper coated steel
>>>>> wire like the old telegraph lines. that was tough stuff, and
>>>>> went a span of 200' (?)
>>>
>>> So, silver-plate it. ;>)
> 
>>>>> Actually the mesh could be sparce, put up towers 100' tall 100'
>>>>> apart and connect the tops with that telegraph wire.  Im
>>>>> thinking of the old rule of tower protects at a 45 degree angle
>>>>> the stuff below it from lightning strikes.
>>>
>>> Yup, more or less.
>>>
>>>>> But you would have to watch the high voltage insulation of the
>>>>> wires from the towers, at 100 v/foot, 100 feet => 10,000 volts
>>>>> so tripple that, as when a cloud comes over the E Field goes up
>>>>> a lot.
>>>
>>> Also yup. High-voltage low-current stuff is very tricky to work
>>> with- the charge keeps leaking off through the air.
> 
>>>> There are lots of towers much higher than that and they do not
>>>> see tens of thousands of volts impressed on them.
>>>
>>> They tend to be conductive, shorting the field. Tall buildings
>>> rapidly get coated with conducting films of bio-crud. It doesn't
>>> have to be *very* conductive to leak nanoamps.
>>
>> Tower as in antenna tower, e.g. KFI Los Angeles, 750 feet.
> 
>>
>>
> 
> the towers distort the E Field as they provide a lower resistance path
> to ground, how much ? the info is out there...
> 
> FYI - most towers are grounded, except some AM station towers, many AM
> stations actually use phased arrays of towers, the tower sits on large
> insulators, and the pattern is steared to different setting at night
> (with power lowered) due to AM's much greater range at night due to
> probagation, lower ionosphere I think, FCC rules and regs.

KFI has a single, insulated tower 750 feet tall.

You claim 100 v/foot, which means the KFI tower should see 75,000 volts
at the base.

This voltage does not exist.

Therefor your base assumption is false.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-16 23:20 -0500
  Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-09-17 21:46 -0400
    Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-17 22:34 -0500
    Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 01:55 -0700
      Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 11:17 -0500
        Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 11:31 -0500
        Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 18:05 +0000
          Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 11:47 -0700
            Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 19:37 +0000
              Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 14:59 -0500
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 20:36 +0000
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 16:01 -0500
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 23:33 +0000
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 12:20 -0700

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