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Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors

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nuny@bid.nes <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:16:05 AM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> > On 9/18/2016 3:55 AM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 6:47:02 PM UTC-7, Michael
>> >> Strickland wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:20:18 -0500, Serigo <invalid@invalid.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> The electrostatic potential gradient between the Earth and the
>> >>>> Ionosphere is about 100Vm-1 near the surface in summer, rising to
>> >>>>  300Vm-1 in winter. It is well known that electrostatic motors
>> >>>> can be driven by the atmospheric electric field indefinitely from
>> >>>> an appropriate antenna and earth connection.
>> >>
>> >> The deal-breaker is the miniscule power available. Kilovolts, but the
>> >> total amount of current passing from the ionosphere to the surface is
>> >> less than two thousand amps. The current that through a square meter
>> >> parallel to Earth's surface is about ten *pico*amps.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_09.html
>> >>
>> >> That means you need a large antenna to get even detectable current,
>> >> let alone enough to do useful work.
>> >>
>> >> It's doable, but not feasible. How many acres of land can you afford
>> >> to cover with a copper mesh roof a thousand feet high?
>> > 
>> > copper would corrode, but you could use copper coated steel wire like 
>> > the old telegraph lines. that was tough stuff, and went a span of 200' (?)
> 
>   So, silver-plate it. ;>)
> 
>> > Actually the mesh could be sparce, put up towers 100' tall 100' apart 
>> > and connect the tops with that telegraph wire.  Im thinking of the old 
>> > rule of tower protects at a 45 degree angle the stuff below it from 
>> > lightning strikes.
> 
>   Yup, more or less.
> 
>> > But you would have to watch the high voltage insulation of the wires 
>> > from the towers, at 100 v/foot, 100 feet => 10,000 volts so tripple 
>> > that, as when a cloud comes over the E Field goes up a lot.
> 
>   Also yup. High-voltage low-current stuff is very tricky to work with- the charge keeps leaking off through the air.
> 
>> There are lots of towers much higher than that and they do not see
>> tens of thousands of volts impressed on them.
> 
>   They tend to be conductive, shorting the field. Tall buildings rapidly get coated with conducting films of bio-crud. It doesn't have to be *very* conductive to leak nanoamps.

Tower as in antenna tower, e.g. KFI Los Angeles, 750 feet.



-- 
Jim Pennino

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E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-16 23:20 -0500
  Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-09-17 21:46 -0400
    Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-17 22:34 -0500
    Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 01:55 -0700
      Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 11:17 -0500
        Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 11:31 -0500
        Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 18:05 +0000
          Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 11:47 -0700
            Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 19:37 +0000
              Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 14:59 -0500
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 20:36 +0000
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 16:01 -0500
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 23:33 +0000
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 12:20 -0700

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