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Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors

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On 9/18/2016 3:36 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 9/18/2016 2:37 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> nuny@bid.nes <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:16:05 AM UTC-7,
>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/18/2016 3:55 AM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 6:47:02 PM UTC-7, Michael
>>>>>>> Strickland wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:20:18 -0500, Serigo
>>>>>>>> <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The electrostatic potential gradient between the Earth
>>>>>>>>> and the Ionosphere is about 100Vm-1 near the surface in
>>>>>>>>> summer, rising to 300Vm-1 in winter. It is well known
>>>>>>>>> that electrostatic motors can be driven by the
>>>>>>>>> atmospheric electric field indefinitely from an
>>>>>>>>> appropriate antenna and earth connection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The deal-breaker is the miniscule power available. Kilovolts,
>>>>>>> but the total amount of current passing from the ionosphere
>>>>>>> to the surface is less than two thousand amps. The current
>>>>>>> that through a square meter parallel to Earth's surface is
>>>>>>> about ten *pico*amps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_09.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That means you need a large antenna to get even detectable
>>>>>>> current, let alone enough to do useful work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's doable, but not feasible. How many acres of land can you
>>>>>>> afford to cover with a copper mesh roof a thousand feet
>>>>>>> high?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> copper would corrode, but you could use copper coated steel
>>>>>> wire like the old telegraph lines. that was tough stuff, and
>>>>>> went a span of 200' (?)
>>>>
>>>> So, silver-plate it. ;>)
>>
>>>>>> Actually the mesh could be sparce, put up towers 100' tall 100'
>>>>>> apart and connect the tops with that telegraph wire.  Im
>>>>>> thinking of the old rule of tower protects at a 45 degree angle
>>>>>> the stuff below it from lightning strikes.

>>>> Yup, more or less.
>>>>
>>>>>> But you would have to watch the high voltage insulation of the
>>>>>> wires from the towers, at 100 v/foot, 100 feet => 10,000 volts
>>>>>> so tripple that, as when a cloud comes over the E Field goes up
>>>>>> a lot.
>>>>
>>>> Also yup. High-voltage low-current stuff is very tricky to work
>>>> with- the charge keeps leaking off through the air.
>>
>>>>> There are lots of towers much higher than that and they do not
>>>>> see tens of thousands of volts impressed on them.
>>>>
>>>> They tend to be conductive, shorting the field. Tall buildings
>>>> rapidly get coated with conducting films of bio-crud. It doesn't
>>>> have to be *very* conductive to leak nanoamps.

>>> Tower as in antenna tower, e.g. KFI Los Angeles, 750 feet.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> the towers distort the E Field as they provide a lower resistance path
>> to ground, how much ? the info is out there...
>>
>> FYI - most towers are grounded, except some AM station towers, many AM
>> stations actually use phased arrays of towers, the tower sits on large
>> insulators, and the pattern is steared to different setting at night
>> (with power lowered) due to AM's much greater range at night due to
>> probagation, lower ionosphere I think, FCC rules and regs.

> KFI has a single, insulated tower 750 feet tall.
>
> You claim 100 v/foot, which means the KFI tower should see 75,000 volts
> at the base.
>
> This voltage does not exist.
>
> Therefor your base assumption is false.
>
>

not my assumption at all, measured fact;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity

http://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electric_field

etc.

However, the current is extremly low, in picoamps, so not much power there

which implies that the E field is distorted around the tower,

remember that voltage potential is huge, results in air breakdown, and 
lightning, huge voltage over 5,000 feet and more.

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E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-16 23:20 -0500
  Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-09-17 21:46 -0400
    Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-17 22:34 -0500
    Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 01:55 -0700
      Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 11:17 -0500
        Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 11:31 -0500
        Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 18:05 +0000
          Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 11:47 -0700
            Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 19:37 +0000
              Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 14:59 -0500
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 20:36 +0000
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-18 16:01 -0500
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 23:33 +0000
                Re: E Field uses and E Field Motors noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 12:20 -0700

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