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Re: H-1B Reform

From Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: H-1B Reform
Date 2017-02-09 12:40 -0800
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On 2017-02-09 12:33, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 02/09/2017 03:27 PM, Joerg wrote:
>> On 2017-02-09 11:34, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>> On 02/09/2017 11:02 AM, Neon John wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 07:42:56 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not true. Sometimes you need someone who is intimately familiar with
>>>>> the
>>>>> regulatory system and habits in a foreign country for which a
>>>>> product is
>>>>> to be geared _and_ is fluent in that language. Then the number of
>>>>> available engineers for this job in the US can be zero. Other times
>>>>> you
>>>>> can find a local engineer but only by prying him or her out of another
>>>>> company. Then that company will have a serious problem at their hands.
>>>>> They can outbid themselves like sports teams sometimes do but in the
>>>>> end
>>>>> there will still not be enough talent available.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that happens a couple hundred times a year and in many cases
>>>> this specialist doesn't need to be in the US.
>>>>
>>>> I can't speak a word of Chinese but we buy several components from
>>>> China included custom manufactured parts.  I did the simply hired an
>>>> agent.  This guy is an American of Chinese descent who moved to China
>>>> to exploit his combination of language and engineering skills.  He's
>>>> not inexpensive but I only use him when I need him and he's very good.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty any strawman you can erect, someone can find a solution to
>>>> without allowing companies to screw over us Americians, especially us
>>>> older ones.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore, the proposed changes setting a high minimum pay encourage
>>>>>>> proper use by curbing improper use. Most of all it will prevent
>>>>>>> companies from illegally displacing American workers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The high minimum wage means the program won't be used because at that
>>>>>> $120,000 an engineer will be found in the US...
>>>>
>>>> Bingo!
>>>
>>> I got an H-1 in September 1987.  They weren't all going so fast then.
>>>
>>
>> I am also quite sure that they paid you well above prevailing wage back
>> then.
>>
>>
> My post-doc salary at IBM was about the same as Tektronix offered me as
> a permanent employee at the same time.  Competitive but not stellar.
>
> I was a post-doc for 2 years, and it took nearly 5 years to get a green
> card after I got hired permanently, so I've had one since 1994.
>

That's the key word, competitive. They didn't use your status to create 
an indentured situation but paid you commensurately and not below what 
US-Americans would have made. Unfortunately H1B has deteriorated so 
badly that it is often used as a cheap guest worker program. That had to 
change and it seems it now finally will change.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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      Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-05 07:23 -0800
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                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 10:05 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 13:13 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 12:16 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 20:13 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 07:19 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-08 13:42 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 12:06 -0800
        Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 03:18 -0500
          Re: H-1B Reform bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-06 03:17 -0800
          Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 07:51 -0800
            Re: H-1B Reform makolber@yahoo.com - 2017-02-06 10:08 -0800
              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 10:11 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 12:53 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 13:22 -0800
              Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 20:36 +0000
              Re: H-1B Reform Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-02-08 17:20 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 20:14 -0500
            Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 19:36 -0500
              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-07 08:02 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-07 17:01 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 20:33 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 08:18 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:02 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-08 14:36 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:12 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 07:42 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-02-09 11:02 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 10:36 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-09 14:34 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 12:27 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-09 15:33 -0500
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-09 12:40 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-09 17:58 -0800
        Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 17:10 +0000
          Re: H-1B Reform Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 09:24 -0800
            Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 18:05 +0000
              Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 10:18 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 20:41 +0000
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 13:31 -0800
                Re: H-1B Reform Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-06 22:05 +0000
                Re: H-1B Reform Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-06 14:56 -0800
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