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| From | "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | ger.ct |
| Subject | Re: Then you win. |
| Date | 2016-11-04 09:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e83131Fu3keU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Marc Stibane <spamfalle2@arcor.de> wrote: >Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> wrote: >> Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> wrote: >>> Am 03.11.2016 um 22:14 schrieb Dr. Joachim Neudert: > >>>> "Hier soll nun ein Trick greifen: Die Steuerbelohnung soll an das >>>> Fahren umweltfreundlicher Autos gekoppelt werden. Damit wäre sie >>>> keine direkte Kompensation mehr für die Maut - und das rechtliche >>>> Problem aus Sicht der Kommission gelöst. Zudem soll die >>>> Steuerentlastung das Mautaufkommen übersteigen; Insider rechnen mit >>>> rund 100 Millionen Euro im Jahr." >>> Das heißt die CSU klopft jetzt für 100 Millionen Euro im Jahr Löcher >>> in die Autobahnen? Eigentlich sollte die Einnahmen (also die mit >>> positivem Vorzeichen) ja zur Reparatur derselben verwendet werden. >> So, wir nähern uns. Die Inländer zahlen also 100 Millionen € weniger. >Die reicheren Inländer (mit den neuen Euro-6 und Euro-5 Autos). Die >armen (mit Euro-4 und älter) zahlen Maut und weiterhin KFZ-Steuer, >werden also doppelt belastet. > >> Und jetzt überleg noch was die Ausländer tun. >> Richtig, sie zahlen ein bei uns! Sofern sie die _Autobahnen_ benutzen. Für Bundesstrassen werden nur Inländer zur Kasse gebeten. Wenn schon eine PKW Maut (die ich im übrigen nicht befürworte), dann auch für alle gleich. Für mich schaut das wie eine Zwangsabgabe für inländische Autofahrer aus. Auch wer nur in der Stadt sein Auto benutzt, muss für die _Möglichkeit_, eine Autobahn oder Bundesstrasse benutzen zu können, löhnen. Sozusagen eine Auto GEZ. -- Dipl.-Inform(FH) Peter Heitzer, peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de
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Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 20:14 +0000
Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-03 20:22 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-11-03 21:43 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 20:48 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-11-03 22:03 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 21:08 +0000
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 21:14 +0000
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-03 21:27 +0000
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-03 23:16 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 09:55 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:09 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-04 13:53 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 06:00 -0700
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-04 14:41 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2016-11-04 09:01 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:08 +0100
Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-04 09:15 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 10:46 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 02:51 -0700
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 10:54 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 03:08 -0700
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 02:52 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2016-11-07 09:31 +0000
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-09 21:02 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 02:52 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 10:38 +0100
Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-05 09:57 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 11:10 +0100
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-05 12:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 18:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 10:18 -0700
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 20:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-06 13:33 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:08 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:27 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-11 12:28 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 15:19 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 16:31 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:07 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:22 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-07 17:26 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:29 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 13:17 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-07 17:28 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-07 17:57 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 18:04 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 15:06 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 16:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-06 00:17 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 00:09 -0800
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:32 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 13:21 +0100
Re: Then you win. lol <lol@lol.example> - 2016-11-05 10:16 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:02 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 09:59 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-04 16:19 +0100
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-11-03 21:45 +0100
Re: Then you win. Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2016-11-03 20:53 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-04 09:57 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-11-04 20:51 +0100
Re: Then you win. Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2016-11-04 07:59 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 08:08 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-11-04 20:45 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-05 07:16 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 12:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 03:21 -0800
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 12:35 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 03:52 -0800
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 04:11 -0800
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 14:14 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 14:17 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 14:43 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 15:48 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-07 15:12 +0100
Re: Then you win. g.kuehne <kuehne123@front.ru> - 2016-11-08 05:56 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-07 15:47 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2016-11-08 09:32 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 04:18 -0800
Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 13:27 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 12:35 +0000
Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 14:20 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 00:56 -0700
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-04 09:09 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 01:04 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-11-04 14:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-11-04 16:16 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-06 13:37 +0100
Re: Then you win. Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-11-06 13:43 +0100
Re: Then you win. Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-11-04 17:11 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-04 17:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-05 02:52 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 10:00 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 11:50 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 13:57 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 14:30 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-06 17:35 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 17:40 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:02 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:21 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-11-06 18:12 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 09:07 +0100
Re: Then you win. Wolfgang Enzinger <we_usenet@nurfuerspam.de> - 2016-11-07 09:17 +0100
Re: Then you win. Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-11-07 09:23 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-07 10:47 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-11-06 15:16 +0100
Re: Then you win. Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-11-07 00:05 -0800
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-11-07 09:25 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-01 17:13 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Juergen P. Meier" <nospam-1984@jors.net> - 2016-12-01 16:29 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 00:13 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 07:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 07:48 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 08:59 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-03 09:23 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 12:32 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 12:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 13:18 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-03 13:58 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-12-03 15:21 +0100
Re: Then you win. Nathan Hale <nobody@remailer.org.uk> - 2016-12-05 11:28 +0000
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-12-05 13:02 +0100
Re: Then you win. Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-12-05 15:06 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:50 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 04:34 -0800
Re: Then you win. Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-12-03 12:37 +0000
Re: Then you win. Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 17:19 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dieter Sporer <dieter.sp@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 09:00 -0800
Re: Then you win. Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-12-04 11:33 +0000
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-12-14 18:42 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-16 06:12 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Peter Heitzer" <peter.heitzer@rz.uni-regensburg.de> - 2016-12-05 09:31 +0000
Re: Then you win. Dietz Pröpper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:30 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:36 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 12:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 16:39 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-12-03 22:47 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-12-03 23:26 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-12-04 10:46 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 07:48 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 09:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dietz Pröpper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:32 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 12:34 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 12:39 +0100
Re: Then you win. Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2016-12-03 13:04 +0100
Re: Then you win. Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-12-03 15:24 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 10:31 +0100
Re: Then you win. Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-12-04 15:07 +0100
Re: Then you win. Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2016-12-04 10:53 +0100
Re: Then you win. Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2016-12-04 10:07 +0000
Re: Then you win. spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2016-12-14 18:42 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 11:39 +0100
Re: Then you win. Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-12-03 15:46 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 10:38 +0100
Re: Then you win. "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-04 10:55 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dietz Pröpper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 11:56 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-04 12:09 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-04 14:28 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2016-12-04 14:30 +0100
Re: Then you win. Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2016-12-03 10:06 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-03 12:33 +0100
Re: Then you win. Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2016-12-03 13:43 +0000
Re: Then you win. "Ulrich F. Heidenreich" <from!not-for-mail@tremornet.de> - 2016-12-03 15:21 +0100
Re: Then you win. Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2016-12-03 14:42 +0000
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 10:52 +0100
Re: Then you win. Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2016-12-04 14:05 +0100
Re: Then you win. Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 15:50 +0100
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