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Re: A Particle Model of Light

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On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 12:59:24 PM UTC-5, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Anton Shepelev:
>    Shtyrkov  calculates  the  ether  velocity  using
>    eqs. 7 and 8.
> 
> Gary Harnagel:
>    There is no velocity variable in either of  those
>    equations.
> 
> Anton Shepelev:
>    The  orbital component of the ether wind velocity
>    is contained  in  beta_orb,  which  is  there  in
>    eq. 8.   The  galactic  component is contained in
>    beta_apx, on which depends  the  parameter  p  of
>    eq. 8.  The lead phase upsilon from eq. 8 is pre-
>    sent in eq. 7, which is the model  of  the  ether
>    drift effect.
> 
> Gary Harnagel:
>    The problem with doing that has been explained by
>    Roberts.  The error bars are much larger than the
>    supposed   effect.    Tom's  treatise  on  Dayton
>    Miller's experiment shows what happens  when  you
>    have this situation.
> 
> You have now jumped to another argument without com-
> pleting the one about Shtyrkov's ether drift  model.
> You  have  no  way  of knowing the size of the error
> bars in Shtyrkov unless you have analysed the  piece
> of his raw data that I posted earlier.
> 
> > And you have Tom's claim that S incorporated aber-
> > ration into his analysis and saw his own  inserted
> > artifact instead of any real effect.
> 
> I  have,  but Tom did not care to specify this arti-
> fact in Shtyrkov's ether drift model  by  naming  an
> equation  and pinning down the exact term or expres-
> sion that he thinks is erroneous.
> 
> > I trust Tom more than you.  Sorry, but that's just
> > the way it is.
> 
> That's  all  right  by me.  Appeals to authority and
> personal preferences are not science, and I couldn't
> discuss them, at least outside the context of objec-
> tive evidence and substantial arguments.
> 
> > How else can S have gotten a  number  three  times
> > bigger  than Michelson was able to detect and even
> > larger than the detection limits of other  experi-
> > ments?
> 
> I have already said how -- by conducting the experi-
> ment in the near space, where the ether is less  en-
> trained by the Earth and its atmospere.
> 
> > I'm  not  really  interested in trying to convince
> > you of something you have clearly shown you  don't
> > want to be convinced of.
> 
> If you want to accuse me of prejudice, be so kind as
> to provide corroboration in the form of  quotes  and
> (optionally) explanations.
> 
> -- 
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Your point of the difference between near and far aether entrainment is worth consideration. Also the transverse leg of the M&M experiment is in question as it is tracking c2=(c^2-v^2)/2 according to measurements made by Norbert Feist with audio in a wind tunnel. This was unexpected and calls for a second look at the M&M math model for the transverse leg. c2=(c^2-v^2)/2 puts a aether wind outside the range of measurement therefore inconclusive.

Norbert Feist can be found at

http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/norbertfeist.html

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Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 14:49 +0300
  Re: A Particle Model of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-26 04:38 -0800
    Re: A Particle Model of Light Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-26 15:06 +0000
    Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 21:57 +0300
      Re: A Particle Model of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-26 13:17 -0800
        Re: A Particle Model of Light Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-27 12:15 +0000
          Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 15:40 +0300
            Re: A Particle Model of Light Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-27 12:41 +0000
        Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 20:11 +0300
          Re: A Particle Model of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 14:32 -0800
            Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 22:05 +0300
              Re: A Particle Model of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-02 16:24 -0800
              Re: A Particle Model of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-01-03 12:57 -0600
                Re: A Particle Model of Light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 13:26 -0800
              Re: A Particle Model of Light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 13:13 -0800
                Re: A Particle Model of Light John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 13:21 -0800
        Re: A Particle Model of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-01-03 12:26 -0600
          Re: A Particle Model of Light Kathleen Winder <katwin@mcgatlin.org> - 2016-01-03 18:48 +0000
          Re: A Particle Model of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 05:29 -0800
            Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 20:19 +0300
              Re: A Particle Model of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 11:15 -0800
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 01:03 +0300
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 17:28 -0800
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 15:41 +0300
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 05:02 -0800
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 21:00 +0300
                Re: A Particle Model of Light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 01:04 -0800
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 18:45 +0300
                Re: A Particle Model of Light John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 08:33 -0800
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 20:50 -0800
            Re: A Particle Model of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-01-05 19:50 -0600
              Re: A Particle Model of Light Kathleen Winder <katwin@mcgatlin.org> - 2016-01-06 15:33 +0000
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-01-06 12:40 -0600
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Kathleen Winder <katwin@mcgatlin.org> - 2016-01-07 22:27 +0000
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 19:15 +0300
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Carmine Portacio <carpo@trilogybearing.org> - 2016-01-09 14:00 +0000
                Re: A Particle Model of Light Carmine Portacio <carpo@trilogybearing.org> - 2016-01-09 14:02 +0000

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