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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.system |
| Subject | Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera |
| Date | 2014-07-11 18:29 +0000 |
| Organization | People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates |
| Message-ID | <c2aongFjnrvU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <slrnlrsgav.1eer.g.kreme@Amelia.local> <c27ni9F97mU1@mid.individual.net> <slrnlrv42q.1g7k.g.kreme@Amelia.local> <c2a918Fg964U2@mid.individual.net> <slrnls09om.1ifu.g.kreme@Amelia.local> |
On 2014-07-11, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: > --> 11 Jul 2014 14:01:12 GMT <c2a918Fg964U2@mid.individual.net> >> You clearly haven't worked for very many businesses, then. Most large >> corporations, for instance, would never dream of making internal >> security cameras accessible from the WAN. There are quite a lot of use >> cases for network cameras that explicitly prohibit connection to the >> internet. And, in case you didn't pay attention, what I said was, "if >> connecting them to the WAN is a requirement for full network camera >> functionality that you get with other network cameras, that would >> certainly be a deal breaker for me". Parse those words carefully. > > I did, and what you said made no sense to me. A network camera, for me, > is *by definition* one that is connected to the WAN so I can access it > remotely. Again, your use case does not apply to everyone. The fact is many do *not* want security cameras accessible by WAN traffic. > Saying you want a network camera that doesn't have to be > connected to a WAN is like saying you'd like to buy a router that > doesn't connect to a WAN. No, that's a bad analogy. > I suppose, maybe, there's some edge case where > you would want a router for your LAN and not have the ability to connect > to the Internet, but I can't really think of one. That's because it's not a good analogy. > I would not call a camera that cannot connect to the WAN (or can, but is > not) a "network" camera; I'd call it a camera, or perhaps a closed- > circuit camera. No, you just seem to be unable or unwilling to distinguish between LAN and WAN. Pretty silly. >> What I meant by that is if standard functionality requires the device >> to be connected to the WAN, I want no part of it. For instance, the >> ability to take and retrieve pictures from the camera should not >> require a WAN connection. Obviously internet features, such as >> uploading to a remote web server, would require WAN connectivity; but >> I'm talking about basic features of the device. > > I'd say taking pictures and putting them somewhere you can see one is > the most basic feature of a camera. Not sure exactly what you are trying to convey here, but it changes nothing in my statement above. >> No such standard features should require the device to be connected to >> the WAN. Otherwise, I want no part of it. Certain features of the >> Nest are disabled without a WAN connection, for instance; and there is >> no option AFAIK to connect the Nest instead to a server in your own >> LAN. That means for me to be able to use those features, I have to >> allow Google to track my usage. > > Granted, that makes your Nest work better because it allows it to learn > and improve its schedule. "Heat is on" and "AC is on" is not exactly > private data. Anyone can tell those things by looking at my house. You haven't changed the fact that such data does not have to be transmitted to a remote server to be useful. They could instead be transmitted to a computer in the LAN and that information could be conveyed without any WAN connectivity. If *you* are willing to share your personal data with Google, that's on you. I refuse to purchase a product that is less useful without a WAN connection. >> That's a deal breaker for me. I require full control over my devices; >> and they shouldn't be crippled without a WAN connection. > > You seem to be using WAN connection for "I don't want to connect to > Google" and not "I don't want to connect to the Internet (WAN)." You > can't put photos on the Internet without connecting to the Internet, > it's just not possible. No, you seem to be unable or unwilling to distinguish between a local network (LAN) and the internet (WAN). Some people do not want their devices accessible by strangers. You can refuse to accept this, or discount it, but it remains a fact. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-09 19:44 -0400
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-09 17:29 -0700
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 01:06 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-09 21:56 -0400
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 01:05 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-10 02:55 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-09 19:18 -0700
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 05:09 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-09 22:18 -0700
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-09 22:30 -0700
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-10 09:13 -0400
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-11 08:36 +1000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-10 20:24 -0400
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-11 00:46 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-11 16:29 +1000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-07-10 01:08 -0400
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 05:31 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-07-10 01:49 -0400
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 14:28 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-10 07:31 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 14:50 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-11 07:20 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-11 14:01 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-11 18:04 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-11 18:29 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-12 15:03 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-12 15:48 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-07-12 10:58 -0700
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-12 18:16 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-13 07:42 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-13 08:17 -0700
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-13 16:22 -0400
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-13 15:22 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-13 15:26 +0000
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-13 08:37 -0700
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-13 11:10 -0500
Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-12 14:44 -0400
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