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Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera

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On 2014-07-11, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: 
>  --> 	 11 Jul 2014 14:01:12 GMT <c2a918Fg964U2@mid.individual.net>
>> You clearly haven't worked for very many businesses, then. Most large
>> corporations, for instance, would never dream of making internal
>> security cameras accessible from the WAN. There are quite a lot of use
>> cases for network cameras that explicitly prohibit connection to the
>> internet. And, in case you didn't pay attention, what I said was, "if
>> connecting them to the WAN is a requirement for full network camera
>> functionality that you get with other network cameras, that would
>> certainly be a deal breaker for me". Parse those words carefully.
>
> I did, and what you said made no sense to me. A network camera, for me,
> is *by definition* one that is connected to the WAN so I can access it
> remotely.

Again, your use case does not apply to everyone. The fact is many do
*not* want security cameras accessible by WAN traffic.

> Saying you want a network camera that doesn't have to be
> connected to a WAN is like saying you'd like to buy a router that
> doesn't connect to a WAN.

No, that's a bad analogy. 

> I suppose, maybe, there's some edge case where
> you would want a router for your LAN and not have the ability to connect
> to the Internet, but I can't really think of one.

That's because it's not a good analogy.

> I would not call a camera that cannot connect to the WAN (or can, but is
> not) a "network" camera; I'd call it a camera, or perhaps a closed-
> circuit camera.

No, you just seem to be unable or unwilling to distinguish between LAN
and WAN. Pretty silly.

>> What I meant by that is if standard functionality requires the device
>> to be connected to the WAN, I want no part of it. For instance, the
>> ability to take and retrieve pictures from the camera should not
>> require a WAN connection. Obviously internet features, such as
>> uploading to a remote web server, would require WAN connectivity; but
>> I'm talking about basic features of the device.
>
> I'd say taking pictures and putting them somewhere you can see one is
> the most basic feature of a camera.

Not sure exactly what you are trying to convey here, but it changes
nothing in my statement above.

>> No such standard features should require the device to be connected to
>> the WAN. Otherwise, I want no part of it.  Certain features of the
>> Nest are disabled without a WAN connection, for instance; and there is
>> no option AFAIK to connect the Nest instead to a server in your own
>> LAN. That means for me to be able to use those features, I have to
>> allow Google to track my usage.
>
> Granted, that makes your Nest work better because it allows it to learn
> and improve its schedule. "Heat is on" and "AC is on" is not exactly
> private data. Anyone can tell those things by looking at my house.

You haven't changed the fact that such data does not have to be
transmitted to a remote server to be useful. They could instead be
transmitted to a computer in the LAN and that information could be
conveyed without any WAN connectivity. 

If *you* are willing to share your personal data with Google, that's on
you. I refuse to purchase a product that is less useful without a WAN
connection.

>> That's a deal breaker for me. I require full control over my devices;
>> and they shouldn't be crippled without a WAN connection. 
>
> You seem to be using WAN connection for "I don't want to connect to
> Google" and not "I don't want to connect to the Internet (WAN)." You
> can't put photos on the Internet without connecting to the Internet,
> it's just not possible.

No, you seem to be unable or unwilling to distinguish between a local
network (LAN) and the internet (WAN). Some people do not want their
devices accessible by strangers. You can refuse to accept this, or
discount it, but it remains a fact.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-09 19:44 -0400
  Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-09 17:29 -0700
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 01:06 +0000
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-09 21:56 -0400
  Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 01:05 +0000
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-10 02:55 +0000
  Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-09 19:18 -0700
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 05:09 +0000
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-09 22:18 -0700
      Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-09 22:30 -0700
        Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-10 09:13 -0400
          Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-11 08:36 +1000
            Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-10 20:24 -0400
              Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-11 00:46 +0000
              Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-11 16:29 +1000
  Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-07-10 01:08 -0400
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 05:31 +0000
      Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-07-10 01:49 -0400
        Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 14:28 +0000
      Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-10 07:31 +0000
        Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 14:50 +0000
          Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-11 07:20 +0000
            Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-11 14:01 +0000
              Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-11 18:04 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-11 18:29 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-12 15:03 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-12 15:48 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-07-12 10:58 -0700
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-12 18:16 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-13 07:42 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-13 08:17 -0700
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-13 16:22 -0400
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-13 15:22 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-13 15:26 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-13 08:37 -0700
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-13 11:10 -0500
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-12 14:44 -0400

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