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Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera

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Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: 
 --> 	 12 Jul 2014 15:48:07 GMT <c2d3lnF3l97U1@mid.individual.net>
> On 2014-07-12, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: 
>>  --> 	 11 Jul 2014 18:29:04 GMT <c2aongFjnrvU1@mid.individual.net>
>>> On 2014-07-11, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> was all, like: 
>>>>  --> 	 11 Jul 2014 14:01:12 GMT <c2a918Fg964U2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> You clearly haven't worked for very many businesses, then. Most large
>>>>> corporations, for instance, would never dream of making internal
>>>>> security cameras accessible from the WAN. There are quite a lot of use
>>>>> cases for network cameras that explicitly prohibit connection to the
>>>>> internet. And, in case you didn't pay attention, what I said was, "if
>>>>> connecting them to the WAN is a requirement for full network camera
>>>>> functionality that you get with other network cameras, that would
>>>>> certainly be a deal breaker for me". Parse those words carefully.
>>>>
>>>> I did, and what you said made no sense to me. A network camera, for me,
>>>> is *by definition* one that is connected to the WAN so I can access it
>>>> remotely.
>>
>>> Again, your use case does not apply to everyone. The fact is many do
>>> *not* want security cameras accessible by WAN traffic.
>>
>> Right. Of course they don't and there are Non-network cameras for that.

> Network cameras work just fine in this scenario and have features that
> disconnected cameras cannot offer. You're just plain silly if you think
> network cameras aren't used in private LANs. I see it *all the time*.

>> That isn't the question, the question is why you would want a network
>> camera that doesn't connect to the Internet.

> Honestly, I'm not sure if you are just being obtuse on purpose or if you
> are legitimately this dense. Get this through your incredibly thick
> head: plenty of people put network cameras on private LANs that are
> *not* accessible via the WAN. They do this because they want the
> functionality of a network camera without the hassle of worrying about
> internet baddies gaining access to their cameras. You apparently refuse
> to acknowledge this; but I know for a fact many people do just this with
> network cameras, because I see them used like this all the time.

What functionality of a network camera does someone want only on a LAN.
As I said, monitoring the kitchen from the computer is not that useful.
I am not being dense, you are failing to explain any use case where this
is desirable.

The network cameras for sale advertise the fact they are available over
the Internet, so non-WAN Network cameras seem to either not exist or be
very rare.

>>> No, you just seem to be unable or unwilling to distinguish between LAN
>>> and WAN. Pretty silly.
>>
>> I perfectly understand the difference between LAN and WAN. Thanks.

> Okay. You say you understand the difference, but refuse to acknowledge
> that a network camera can be useful on a LAN without WAN access. Do you
> have any idea how silly you are being?

I have asked you more than once to explain how this would be useful.

>>> You haven't changed the fact that such data does not have to be
>>> transmitted to a remote server to be useful. They could instead be
>>> transmitted to a computer in the LAN and that information could be
>>> conveyed without any WAN connectivity. 
>>
>> And as I said, from the products available it seems the vast majority of
>> consumers want a camera they can use to monitor their home remotely.

> Regardless of what the supposed majority wants, there are still plenty
> of folks who use network cameras without WAN access. I see it all the
> time in homes and corporations. It's commonplace. Just because your
> limited imagination won't allow you to imagine use cases for network
> cameras without WAN access doesn't mean those use cases do not exist or
> aren't commonplace.

WHy are you being a jackass instead of answering my question? I cannot
imagine anyone finding a LAN only network camera very useful. It would
not be at all useful to me, nor can I imagine a case where it would be
especially desirable. Nor would I call a camera only on a LAN a
"network" camera. If it's not available remotely, it's a closed-circuit
camera.

>> Being able to sit in the computer room and see the kitchen isn't all
>> that compelling.

> If "live viewing" was the only function of a network camera, that might
> actually be important. Thankfully, that's not the case. You must not
> have much of an imagination. And you clearly haven't seen network
> cameras in actual real-world use outside of your little bubble. In this
> light, it kinda makes sense that you would balk at use cases that
> explicitly prohibit WAN connections. Apparently, you're just ignorant.

And you are incapable of explaining a single use case.

Fine. I'm done with this thread.

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OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-09 19:44 -0400
  Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-09 17:29 -0700
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 01:06 +0000
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-09 21:56 -0400
  Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 01:05 +0000
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-10 02:55 +0000
  Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-07-09 19:18 -0700
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 05:09 +0000
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-09 22:18 -0700
      Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-09 22:30 -0700
        Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-10 09:13 -0400
          Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-11 08:36 +1000
            Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-10 20:24 -0400
              Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-11 00:46 +0000
              Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-07-11 16:29 +1000
  Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-07-10 01:08 -0400
    Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 05:31 +0000
      Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-07-10 01:49 -0400
        Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 14:28 +0000
      Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-10 07:31 +0000
        Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-10 14:50 +0000
          Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-11 07:20 +0000
            Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-11 14:01 +0000
              Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-11 18:04 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-11 18:29 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-12 15:03 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-12 15:48 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-07-12 10:58 -0700
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-12 18:16 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-13 07:42 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-07-13 08:17 -0700
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-07-13 16:22 -0400
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-13 15:22 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-13 15:26 +0000
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-13 08:37 -0700
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-13 11:10 -0500
                Re: OT: Looking for Remote WiFi Time-Lapse Camera JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-07-12 14:44 -0400

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