Re: ubuntu/snap future

From	George Shuklin <george.shuklin@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: ubuntu/snap future
Date	2021-04-10 16:10 +0200
Message-ID	<C2mtd-5fN-17@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink)
References	<BZRtv-1l0-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <C0Hip-7RR-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <C0Qc1-5cV-3@gated-at.bofh.it> <C0Snv-6u5-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
Organization	linux.* mail to news gateway

Show all headers | View raw

On 4/6/21 2:49 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody out there!
>>
>> On 2021/04/06 at 01:53 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs.  They just don't want to
>>> maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and forget"
>>> solution.  I can't see this as anything but a bad thing, something the
>>> world can live without.
>> 	Well, I do not like the way Ubuntu uses snaps, but there are some good
>> reasons to use something like snaps or flatpacks.
>>
>> 	Even with a less careful procedure to integrate and  update packages
>> than the one of Debian (which I like), create a new package and update
>> one take some time. There are several examples when a user needs a bug
>> fix or some functionality that packages in distributions do not provide.
>> In such a case, without snaps or flatpacks, the user has to compile the
>> program, which need some technical skills and can be sometimes really
>> tricky. Appimages are less interesting, as you have to update them manually.
>>
>> 	Use parsimoniously, packages like snaps or flatpacks are something very
>> useful, which improve user experience even for power users. The problem
>> with Ubuntu is it uses way too much snaps and I do not think it is a
>> matter of laziness.
> I had occasion to install Zoom a few weeks ago;'snap install zoom-client'.
> Everything went smoothly and I quite like having this proprietary package
> strictly confined.
>
To the respect of the producer of the Zoom, they don't try to install 
rootkit stuff like Chrome does.

But I would argue that at X/Pulseaudio landscape it's impossible to 
confine desktop application for real. pulseaudio allows to load plugins, 
and that is remote code execution. X does not block application from 
interacting with random stuff on screen (including screensaver and 
password manager) so desktop isolation is fiction.

... And here the main part. I really don't want to see Linux desktop 
walking Android path. Do we really need to protect address book from a 
image editor or calculator? I really trust GIMP not doing anything nasty 
under the hood. I don't need heavy and slow jails for it. I prefer 
cooperation and trust (is Debian all about trust?).

Back to linux.debian.user | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread

Thread

ubuntu/snap future George Shuklin <george.shuklin@gmail.com> - 2021-04-03 18:40 +0200
  Re: ubuntu/snap future "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-04-03 19:00 +0200
  Re: ubuntu/snap future Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org> - 2021-04-06 02:00 +0200
    Re: ubuntu/snap future Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-04-06 03:10 +0200
    Re: ubuntu/snap future Yoann LE BARS <yoann@le-bars.net> - 2021-04-06 11:30 +0200
      Re: ubuntu/snap future Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-04-06 13:50 +0200
        Re: ubuntu/snap future Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-06 14:30 +0200
        ubuntu/snap future riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-04-07 05:30 +0200
          Re: ubuntu/snap future Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-04-07 12:20 +0200
            Re: ubuntu/snap future riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 09:20 +0200
              Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 09:30 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 11:40 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 13:00 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-04-09 15:00 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 15:30 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 19:50 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-04-09 20:30 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future George Shuklin <george.shuklin@gmail.com> - 2021-04-10 16:10 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-04-29 02:20 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Yoann LE BARS <yoann@le-bars.net> - 2021-04-09 13:10 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 13:40 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Yoann LE BARS <yoann@le-bars.net> - 2021-04-09 13:50 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 14:50 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-04-09 15:10 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 15:40 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-04-09 17:10 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 19:00 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Yoann LE BARS <yoann@le-bars.net> - 2021-04-09 18:10 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 19:30 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 19:30 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 14:10 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 15:00 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 15:30 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-04-09 15:40 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-04-09 15:50 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-09 16:20 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-04-09 16:20 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 16:30 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 16:20 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Yoann LE BARS <yoann@le-bars.net> - 2021-04-09 18:20 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 19:50 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 20:40 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-04-09 21:40 +0200
                Re: ubuntu/snap future Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 22:10 +0200
              Re: ubuntu/snap future Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-09 14:10 +0200
        Re: ubuntu/snap future George Shuklin <george.shuklin@gmail.com> - 2021-04-10 16:10 +0200

csiph-web