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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute

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> Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 21:08:28 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice Street"
> >><sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 19:14:38 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice Street"
> >>>><sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 14:31:39 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice
> > > > > > > Street"
> >>>>>><sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Alex W. wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On 05/03/2016 13:47, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Alex W. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On 05/03/2016 12:42, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Alex W. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 04/03/2016 23:04, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mattb. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arizona House
> >>>>>>Dispute >> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/atheist-lawmakers-prayer-sets-off-arizona-house-dispute-37381282
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An atheist member of the Arizona House
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > denied the
> >>>>>>chance >> > > > > > > to deliver the chamber's opening prayer by
> >>>>>>majority >> > > > > > > Republican leaders last month got the
> >>>>>>opportunity >> > > > > > > Thursday, only to see leaders rule
> >>his >> >> prayer didn't pass >> > > > > > > muster and call up a
> >>Christian >> >> pastor.  >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez
> >>included >> a >> >> > > > > > > call to work to help the state and
> >>its residents >> >> flourish >> > > > > > > and to "honor the
> >>Constitution and the >> >> secular equality >> > > > > > > it
> >>brings." But he didn't pray to >> any >> deity, which >> > > > > > >
> >>infuriated some Republicans who are >> >> Christians.  >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accoring to the article, 'House Majority
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leader
> >>Steve >> >> >> > > > > > Montenegro said Mendez's decision not to
> >>pray to God >> >> didn't >> > > > > > meet House rules he issued
> >>earlier this year >> for >> the >> > > > > > opening prayer.
> Speaker >>David Gowan then said >> >> "point of >> > > > > > order
> well
> > > taken".'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Mendez were Pastararian, he could've
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed to
> >>The >> FSM >> >> > > > > > and that would've satisfied the "House
> >>rules".  >> >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Imagine the uproar if he had addressed his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > prayer to
> >>>>>>Satan....  >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > He'd now be the most infamous man in America.
> > > > > > > > > > > > And
> >>Satan is >> >> >> > > > referred to in the Bible as "the god of this
> >>world", so >> the >> >> > > > prayer might still have satisfied the
> >>House rule.  >> >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > If he wanted to toss a hyperactive cat among the
> >>pigeons, he >> >> >> > > should table a motion asking for a
> >>comprehensive universal >> >> >> > > definition of "god"...
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > They might've even killed him for that.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > What would have happened in the UK for a comparable
> >>situation?  >> >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Nothing at all.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > We don't do god in public life.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > If Tony Blair had done what GWB did before ordering
> > > > > > > > > the
> >>troops >> into >> >> Iraq -- praying and reading the bible to seek
> >>divine >> guidance -- he >> >> would not have been prime minister
> >>long enough >> to see us conquering >> >> Baghdad.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > He said afterwards that he "consulted God" before
> > > > > > > ordering the invasion.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > He also said at the same time that he had kept quiet
> > > > > > > about it
> >>>>because >> people would think he was a religious nutter.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Unlike the reaction to Bush in the USA, the British were
> >>horrified.  >> >>
> > > > > > > > > We get much more exercised about bad manners.  The new
> >>leader of >> >> the >> Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was supposed to
> >>meet the Queen >> >> and go >> down on one knee.  When he refused to
> >>do so, being a >> >> republican, it >> caused a major uproar.  His
> >>religion is never >> >> mentioned....  >>
> > > > > > > > > Plus, we have the advantage of a state religion.  So
> > > > > > > > > for
> >>>>official >> >> acts we wheel out a vicar or bishop to mumble all
> >>the >> words without >> >> anyone having to make a personal
> >>declaration of >> (un)belief.  All >> very >> civilised.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And very few people  take any notice of the state
> > > > > > > religion.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Although its high-ups imagine they do.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Every so often some Bishop or Archbishop tells a largely
> >>>>non-believing >> country to start believing in Santa Claus again.
> >>Or >> was it God?  >> Anyway, they're too stupid to understand that
> >>there's >> no substantive >> difference to most of their audience.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What a shame that we didn't inherit more of that
> > > > > > > > attitude from
> >>>>you >> > guys.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I can't imagine anybody like David Jenkins, the Bishop of
> > > > > > > Durham between 1984 and 1994, in the USA.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > He was a very liberal theologian, who said things like not
> >>>>believing >> in the virgin birth because that sort of thing didn't
> >>>>happen. The >> conservatives vilified him for it, and when York
> >>>>Minster was struck by >> lightning they said that was Gawd's
> > > > > punishment for ordaining him.  >>
> > > > > > > The story is that he was chosen because Margaret Thatcher
> >>offered >> two >> alternatives - her choice and somebody she thought
> >>wouldn't be >> >> acceptable. But her choice was even less
> acceptable >>so she was >> stuck >> with Jenkins and had to advise
> the Queen (the >>nominal  head >> of the >> CofE but who carries out
> the advice of her >>Prime Minister >> in matters >> of state) to make
> him Bishop.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jenkins_%28bishop%29
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Makes me envious of the Brits.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Occasionally there are loonies in positions of authority.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tony Blair has bequeathed an increase in the number of faith
> > > schools.  >>
> > > > > When he was Prime Minister, questions were asked in Parliament
> >>about a >> City Technology College teaching creationism, and which
> >>hosted an >> international creationism symposium, He sounded like an
> >>American >> conservative, mumbling something about people believing
> > > it.  >>
> > > > > These colleges were set up under a law passed under Margaret
> >>Thatcher, >> who didn't like government oversight of anything, even
> >>something as >> vital as education. They were supposed to be funded
> >>by local industry, >> to train teenagers with the skills they
> needed, >>and not responsible to >> the Department of Education.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But in the end, most of the funding came from the government.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Apparently the school inspector who gave it a glowing report,
> > > > > was
> >>the >> principal of a private Seventh Day Adventist school,
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's what you get with self-regulation.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Another loonie was James Anderton, the chief of the Greater
> >>Manchester >> Police who was a born-again who and quite vicious
> about >>it. One of his >> first actions was to charge the city centre
> >>newsstands and newsagents >> under the obscene publications act, for
> >>not putting the tabloids (with >> their page three girls) on the top
> > > shelf next to the girly mags.  >>
> > > > > He also rigidly enforced the (now largely repealed) Sunday
> > > > > trading laws, prosecuting owners and operators of
> > > > > do-it-your-self stores
> >>who >> did most of their business on Sundays when people needed
> tools >>and >> materials for the jobs they were doing. And shops
> selling >>un-dated >> material like books because only dated material
> like >>newspapers could >> be sold. Likewise, fresh food was allowed
> but not
> > > canned.  >>
> > > > > In a BBC interview, he said God had put him in that job to
> > > > > carry
> >>out >> God's orders. People should be in church  instead of doing
> >>gardening, >> household repairs, working on their cars, etc.
> > > > 
> > > > What a nutcase. So they're there too, just not as many as here.
> > > 
> > > Everybody openly laughs at them - it's why Blair kept quiet until
> > > it couldn't damage his career.
> > > 
> > > They don't like it - but what few there are have mostly learned to
> > > keep quiet about it.
> > 
> > Big difference than in the US.
> 
> the US is a consumer nation

How is Canada different?

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