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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute

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Christopher A. Lee wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 19:14:38 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice Street"
> <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote:
> 
> > Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > 
> >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 14:31:39 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice Street"
> >> <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Alex W. wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> On 05/03/2016 13:47, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> >> >> > Alex W. wrote:
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > > On 05/03/2016 12:42, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> >> >> > > > Alex W. wrote:
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > > On 04/03/2016 23:04, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > Mattb. wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House
> >> Dispute >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/atheist-lawmakers-prayer-sets-off-arizona-house-dispute-37381282
> >> >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > An atheist member of the Arizona House denied the
> >> chance >> > > > > > > to deliver the chamber's opening prayer by
> >> majority >> > > > > > > Republican leaders last month got the
> >> opportunity >> > > > > > > Thursday, only to see leaders rule his
> >> prayer didn't pass >> > > > > > > muster and call up a Christian
> >> pastor.  >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez included
> a >> >> > > > > > > call to work to help the state and its residents
> >> flourish >> > > > > > > and to "honor the Constitution and the
> >> secular equality >> > > > > > > it brings." But he didn't pray to
> any >> deity, which >> > > > > > > infuriated some Republicans who are
> >> Christians.  >> > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > Accoring to the article, 'House Majority Leader Steve
> >> >> > > > > > Montenegro said Mendez's decision not to pray to God
> >> didn't >> > > > > > meet House rules he issued earlier this year
> for >> the >> > > > > > opening prayer.  Speaker David Gowan then said
> >> "point of >> > > > > > order well taken".'
> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > If Mendez were Pastararian, he could've prayed to The
> FSM >> >> > > > > > and that would've satisfied the "House rules".
> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > Imagine the uproar if he had addressed his prayer to
> >> Satan....  >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > He'd now be the most infamous man in America. And Satan is
> >> >> > > > referred to in the Bible as "the god of this world", so
> the >> >> > > > prayer might still have satisfied the House rule.
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > If he wanted to toss a hyperactive cat among the pigeons, he
> >> >> > > should table a motion asking for a comprehensive universal
> >> >> > > definition of "god"...
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > They might've even killed him for that.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > What would have happened in the UK for a comparable situation?
> >> >> > 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Nothing at all.
> >> >> 
> >> >> We don't do god in public life.
> >> >> 
> >> >> If Tony Blair had done what GWB did before ordering the troops
> into >> >> Iraq -- praying and reading the bible to seek divine
> guidance -- he >> >> would not have been prime minister long enough
> to see us conquering >> >> Baghdad.
> >> 
> >> He said afterwards that he "consulted God" before ordering the
> >> invasion.
> >> 
> >> He also said at the same time that he had kept quiet about it
> because >> people would think he was a religious nutter.
> >> 
> >> Unlike the reaction to Bush in the USA, the British were horrified.
> >> 
> >> >> We get much more exercised about bad manners.  The new leader of
> >> the >> Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was supposed to meet the Queen
> >> and go >> down on one knee.  When he refused to do so, being a
> >> republican, it >> caused a major uproar.  His religion is never
> >> mentioned....  >> 
> >> >> Plus, we have the advantage of a state religion.  So for
> official >> >> acts we wheel out a vicar or bishop to mumble all the
> words without >> >> anyone having to make a personal declaration of
> (un)belief.  All >> very >> civilised.
> >> 
> >> And very few people  take any notice of the state religion.
> >> 
> >> Although its high-ups imagine they do.
> >> 
> >> Every so often some Bishop or Archbishop tells a largely
> non-believing >> country to start believing in Santa Claus again. Or
> was it God?  >> Anyway, they're too stupid to understand that there's
> no substantive >> difference to most of their audience.
> >> 
> >> > What a shame that we didn't inherit more of that attitude from
> you >> > guys.
> >> 
> >> I can't imagine anybody like David Jenkins, the Bishop of Durham
> >> between 1984 and 1994, in the USA.
> >> 
> >> He was a very liberal theologian, who said things like not
> believing >> in the virgin birth because that sort of thing didn't
> happen. The >> conservatives vilified him for it, and when York
> Minster was struck by >> lightning they said that was Gawd's
> punishment for ordaining him.  >> 
> >> The story is that he was chosen because Margaret Thatcher offered
> two >> alternatives - her choice and somebody she thought wouldn't be
> >> acceptable. But her choice was even less acceptable so she was
> stuck >> with Jenkins and had to advise the Queen (the nominal  head
> of the >> CofE but who carries out the advice of her Prime Minister
> in matters >> of state) to make him Bishop.
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jenkins_%28bishop%29
> > 
> > Makes me envious of the Brits.
> 
> Occasionally there are loonies in positions of authority.
> 
> Tony Blair has bequeathed an increase in the number of faith schools.
> 
> When he was Prime Minister, questions were asked in Parliament about a
> City Technology College teaching creationism, and which hosted an
> international creationism symposium, He sounded like an American
> conservative, mumbling something about people believing it. 
> 
> These colleges were set up under a law passed under Margaret Thatcher,
> who didn't like government oversight of anything, even something as
> vital as education. They were supposed to be funded by local industry,
> to train teenagers with the skills they needed, and not responsible to
> the Department of Education.
> 
> But in the end, most of the funding came from the government.
> 
> Apparently the school inspector who gave it a glowing report, was  the
> principal of a private Seventh Day Adventist school,
> 
> That's what you get with self-regulation.
> 
> Another loonie was James Anderton, the chief of the Greater Manchester
> Police who was a born-again who and quite vicious about it. One of his
> first actions was to charge the city centre newsstands and newsagents
> under the obscene publications act, for not putting the tabloids (with
> their page three girls) on the top shelf next to the girly mags.
> 
> He also rigidly enforced the (now largely repealed) Sunday trading
> laws, prosecuting owners and operators of do-it-your-self stores who
> did most of their business on Sundays when people needed tools and
> materials for the jobs they were doing. And shops selling un-dated
> material like books because only dated material like newspapers could
> be sold. Likewise, fresh food was allowed but not canned.
> 
> In a BBC interview, he said God had put him in that job to carry out
> God's orders. People should be in church  instead of doing gardening,
> household repairs, working on their cars, etc.

What a nutcase. So they're there too, just not as many as here.

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  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-04 23:04 +0000
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                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:28 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 21:08 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 23:28 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:53 -0700
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                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:53 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
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                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-06 19:56 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:15 +0000
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      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:05 -0800
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:01 -0800
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:25 +0000
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          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-06 19:57 +0000
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        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 10:54 -0800

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