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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute

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Christopher A. Lee wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 21:08:28 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice Street"
> <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote:
> 
> > Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > 
> >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 19:14:38 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice Street"
> >> <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 14:31:39 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice Street"
> >> >> <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> > Alex W. wrote:
> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> On 05/03/2016 13:47, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> >> >> >> > Alex W. wrote:
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > > On 05/03/2016 12:42, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > Alex W. wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > On 04/03/2016 23:04, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > > Mattb. wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > > > Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House
> >> >> Dispute >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/atheist-lawmakers-prayer-sets-off-arizona-house-dispute-37381282
> >> >> >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > > > An atheist member of the Arizona House denied the
> >> >> chance >> > > > > > > to deliver the chamber's opening prayer by
> >> >> majority >> > > > > > > Republican leaders last month got the
> >> >> opportunity >> > > > > > > Thursday, only to see leaders rule
> his >> >> prayer didn't pass >> > > > > > > muster and call up a
> Christian >> >> pastor.  >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > > > The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez
> included >> a >> >> > > > > > > call to work to help the state and
> its residents >> >> flourish >> > > > > > > and to "honor the
> Constitution and the >> >> secular equality >> > > > > > > it
> brings." But he didn't pray to >> any >> deity, which >> > > > > > >
> infuriated some Republicans who are >> >> Christians.  >> > > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > > Accoring to the article, 'House Majority Leader
> Steve >> >> >> > > > > > Montenegro said Mendez's decision not to
> pray to God >> >> didn't >> > > > > > meet House rules he issued
> earlier this year >> for >> the >> > > > > > opening prayer.  Speaker
> David Gowan then said >> >> "point of >> > > > > > order well taken".'
> >> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > > If Mendez were Pastararian, he could've prayed to
> The >> FSM >> >> > > > > > and that would've satisfied the "House
> rules".  >> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > > Imagine the uproar if he had addressed his prayer to
> >> >> Satan....  >> > > > 
> >> >> >> > > > He'd now be the most infamous man in America. And
> Satan is >> >> >> > > > referred to in the Bible as "the god of this
> world", so >> the >> >> > > > prayer might still have satisfied the
> House rule.  >> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> >> > > 
> >> >> >> > > If he wanted to toss a hyperactive cat among the
> pigeons, he >> >> >> > > should table a motion asking for a
> comprehensive universal >> >> >> > > definition of "god"...
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > They might've even killed him for that.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > What would have happened in the UK for a comparable
> situation?  >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Nothing at all.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> We don't do god in public life.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> If Tony Blair had done what GWB did before ordering the
> troops >> into >> >> Iraq -- praying and reading the bible to seek
> divine >> guidance -- he >> >> would not have been prime minister
> long enough >> to see us conquering >> >> Baghdad.
> >> >> 
> >> >> He said afterwards that he "consulted God" before ordering the
> >> >> invasion.
> >> >> 
> >> >> He also said at the same time that he had kept quiet about it
> >> because >> people would think he was a religious nutter.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Unlike the reaction to Bush in the USA, the British were
> horrified.  >> >> 
> >> >> >> We get much more exercised about bad manners.  The new
> leader of >> >> the >> Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was supposed to
> meet the Queen >> >> and go >> down on one knee.  When he refused to
> do so, being a >> >> republican, it >> caused a major uproar.  His
> religion is never >> >> mentioned....  >> 
> >> >> >> Plus, we have the advantage of a state religion.  So for
> >> official >> >> acts we wheel out a vicar or bishop to mumble all
> the >> words without >> >> anyone having to make a personal
> declaration of >> (un)belief.  All >> very >> civilised.
> >> >> 
> >> >> And very few people  take any notice of the state religion.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Although its high-ups imagine they do.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Every so often some Bishop or Archbishop tells a largely
> >> non-believing >> country to start believing in Santa Claus again.
> Or >> was it God?  >> Anyway, they're too stupid to understand that
> there's >> no substantive >> difference to most of their audience.
> >> >> 
> >> >> > What a shame that we didn't inherit more of that attitude from
> >> you >> > guys.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I can't imagine anybody like David Jenkins, the Bishop of Durham
> >> >> between 1984 and 1994, in the USA.
> >> >> 
> >> >> He was a very liberal theologian, who said things like not
> >> believing >> in the virgin birth because that sort of thing didn't
> >> happen. The >> conservatives vilified him for it, and when York
> >> Minster was struck by >> lightning they said that was Gawd's
> >> punishment for ordaining him.  >> 
> >> >> The story is that he was chosen because Margaret Thatcher
> offered >> two >> alternatives - her choice and somebody she thought
> wouldn't be >> >> acceptable. But her choice was even less acceptable
> so she was >> stuck >> with Jenkins and had to advise the Queen (the
> nominal  head >> of the >> CofE but who carries out the advice of her
> Prime Minister >> in matters >> of state) to make him Bishop.
> >> >> 
> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jenkins_%28bishop%29
> >> > 
> >> > Makes me envious of the Brits.
> >> 
> >> Occasionally there are loonies in positions of authority.
> >> 
> >> Tony Blair has bequeathed an increase in the number of faith
> schools.  >> 
> >> When he was Prime Minister, questions were asked in Parliament
> about a >> City Technology College teaching creationism, and which
> hosted an >> international creationism symposium, He sounded like an
> American >> conservative, mumbling something about people believing
> it.  >> 
> >> These colleges were set up under a law passed under Margaret
> Thatcher, >> who didn't like government oversight of anything, even
> something as >> vital as education. They were supposed to be funded
> by local industry, >> to train teenagers with the skills they needed,
> and not responsible to >> the Department of Education.
> >> 
> >> But in the end, most of the funding came from the government.
> >> 
> >> Apparently the school inspector who gave it a glowing report, was
> the >> principal of a private Seventh Day Adventist school,
> >> 
> >> That's what you get with self-regulation.
> >> 
> >> Another loonie was James Anderton, the chief of the Greater
> Manchester >> Police who was a born-again who and quite vicious about
> it. One of his >> first actions was to charge the city centre
> newsstands and newsagents >> under the obscene publications act, for
> not putting the tabloids (with >> their page three girls) on the top
> shelf next to the girly mags.  >> 
> >> He also rigidly enforced the (now largely repealed) Sunday trading
> >> laws, prosecuting owners and operators of do-it-your-self stores
> who >> did most of their business on Sundays when people needed tools
> and >> materials for the jobs they were doing. And shops selling
> un-dated >> material like books because only dated material like
> newspapers could >> be sold. Likewise, fresh food was allowed but not
> canned.  >> 
> >> In a BBC interview, he said God had put him in that job to carry
> out >> God's orders. People should be in church  instead of doing
> gardening, >> household repairs, working on their cars, etc.
> > 
> > What a nutcase. So they're there too, just not as many as here.
> 
> Everybody openly laughs at them - it's why Blair kept quiet until it
> couldn't damage his career.
> 
> They don't like it - but what few there are have mostly learned to
> keep quiet about it.

Big difference than in the US.

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                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:53 -0700
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