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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute

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On 05/03/2016 13:47, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> Alex W. wrote:
>
>> On 05/03/2016 12:42, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
>>> Alex W. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/03/2016 23:04, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
>>>>> Mattb. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/atheist-lawmakers-prayer-sets-off-arizona-house-dispute-37381282
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An atheist member of the Arizona House denied the chance to
>>>>>> deliver the chamber's opening prayer by majority Republican
>>>>>> leaders last month got the opportunity Thursday, only to see
>>>>>> leaders rule his prayer didn't pass muster and call up a
>>>>>> Christian pastor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez included a call to
>>>>>> work to help the state and its residents flourish and to
>>>>>> "honor the Constitution and the secular equality it brings."
>>>>>> But he didn't pray to any deity, which infuriated some
>>>>>> Republicans who are Christians.
>>>>>
>>>>> Accoring to the article, 'House Majority Leader Steve Montenegro
>>>>> said Mendez's decision not to pray to God didn't meet House
>>>>> rules he issued earlier this year for the opening prayer.
>>>>> Speaker David Gowan then said "point of order well taken".'
>>>>>
>>>>> If Mendez were Pastararian, he could've prayed to The FSM and
>>>>> that would've satisfied the "House rules".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Imagine the uproar if he had addressed his prayer to Satan....
>>>
>>> He'd now be the most infamous man in America. And Satan is referred
>>> to in the Bible as "the god of this world", so the prayer might
>>> still have satisfied the House rule.
>>>
>>
>> If he wanted to toss a hyperactive cat among the pigeons, he should
>> table a motion asking for a comprehensive universal definition of
>> "god"...
>
> They might've even killed him for that.
>
> What would have happened in the UK for a comparable situation?
>

Nothing at all.

We don't do god in public life.

If Tony Blair had done what GWB did before ordering the troops into Iraq 
-- praying and reading the bible to seek divine guidance -- he would not 
have been prime minister long enough to see us conquering Baghdad.

We get much more exercised about bad manners.  The new leader of the 
Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was supposed to meet the Queen and go down 
on one knee.  When he refused to do so, being a republican, it caused a 
major uproar.  His religion is never mentioned....

Plus, we have the advantage of a state religion.  So for official acts 
we wheel out a vicar or bishop to mumble all the words without anyone 
having to make a personal declaration of (un)belief.  All very civilised.

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Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Mattb. <trdell1234@outlook.com> - 2016-03-04 14:13 -0800
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-04 23:04 +0000
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 09:08 +0000
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 12:42 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 13:03 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 13:47 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 14:04 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:14 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 12:18 -0700
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:28 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 21:08 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 23:28 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:53 -0700
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-06 12:41 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:53 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-06 00:07 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-06 19:56 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:15 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Don Kresch <no@spam.org> - 2016-03-06 15:41 -0600
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:05 -0800
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:01 -0800
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:25 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 10:51 -0800
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-06 19:57 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-07 11:28 +0000
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MarkA <someone@somewhere.invalid> - 2016-03-05 01:10 +0000
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 09:53 -0800
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 02:23 -0800
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 09:56 -0800
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-05 23:51 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 10:54 -0800

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