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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute

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On 05/03/2016 23:46, Smiler wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:04:11 +0000, Alex W. wrote:
>
>> On 05/03/2016 13:47, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
>>> Alex W. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/03/2016 12:42, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
>>>>> Alex W. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/03/2016 23:04, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
>>>>>>> Mattb. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/atheist-lawmakers-prayer-sets-
> off-arizona-house-dispute-37381282
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An atheist member of the Arizona House denied the chance to
>>>>>>>> deliver the chamber's opening prayer by majority Republican
>>>>>>>> leaders last month got the opportunity Thursday, only to see
>>>>>>>> leaders rule his prayer didn't pass muster and call up a Christian
>>>>>>>> pastor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez included a call to work
>>>>>>>> to help the state and its residents flourish and to "honor the
>>>>>>>> Constitution and the secular equality it brings." But he didn't
>>>>>>>> pray to any deity, which infuriated some Republicans who are
>>>>>>>> Christians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Accoring to the article, 'House Majority Leader Steve Montenegro
>>>>>>> said Mendez's decision not to pray to God didn't meet House rules
>>>>>>> he issued earlier this year for the opening prayer. Speaker David
>>>>>>> Gowan then said "point of order well taken".'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Mendez were Pastararian, he could've prayed to The FSM and that
>>>>>>> would've satisfied the "House rules".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine the uproar if he had addressed his prayer to Satan....
>>>>>
>>>>> He'd now be the most infamous man in America. And Satan is referred
>>>>> to in the Bible as "the god of this world", so the prayer might still
>>>>> have satisfied the House rule.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If he wanted to toss a hyperactive cat among the pigeons, he should
>>>> table a motion asking for a comprehensive universal definition of
>>>> "god"...
>>>
>>> They might've even killed him for that.
>>>
>>> What would have happened in the UK for a comparable situation?
>>>
>> Nothing at all.
>>
>> We don't do god in public life.
>>
>> If Tony Blair had done what GWB did before ordering the troops into Iraq
>> -- praying and reading the bible to seek divine guidance -- he would not
>> have been prime minister long enough to see us conquering Baghdad.
>
> TB may well have been -- praying and reading the bible to seek divine
> guidance --, he is a committed Christian, but he didn't announce it to the
> world for all to see his stupidity. _That_ is the difference between the
> UK and the US.
>
>> We get much more exercised about bad manners.  The new leader of the
>> Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was supposed to meet the Queen and go down
>> on one knee.  When he refused to do so, being a republican, it caused a
>> major uproar.  His religion is never mentioned....
>
> I suspect that he's either an atheist or a very religious Christian, like
> TB.

My reading is that he too caught up in his political ideology.

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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 09:08 +0000
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 12:42 +0000
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 13:03 +0000
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 13:47 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 14:04 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 14:31 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:14 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 12:18 -0700
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:28 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 21:08 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 23:28 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:53 -0700
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-06 12:41 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:53 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-06 00:07 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-06 19:56 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:15 +0000
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Don Kresch <no@spam.org> - 2016-03-06 15:41 -0600
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:05 -0800

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