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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute

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% wrote:

> Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 14:31:39 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice Street"
> >><sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Alex W. wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On 05/03/2016 13:47, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > > > > > Alex W. wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On 05/03/2016 12:42, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > > > > > > > Alex W. wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On 04/03/2016 23:04, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Mattb. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House
> >>Dispute >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> >
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/atheist-lawmakers-prayer-sets-off-arizona-house-dispute-37381282
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > An atheist member of the Arizona House denied the
> >>chance >> > > > > > > to deliver the chamber's opening prayer by
> >>majority >> > > > > > > Republican leaders last month got the
> >>opportunity >> > > > > > > Thursday, only to see leaders rule his
> >>prayer didn't pass >> > > > > > > muster and call up a Christian
> >>pastor.  >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez
> > > > > > > > > > > included a call to work to help the state and its
> > > > > > > > > > > residents
> >>flourish >> > > > > > > and to "honor the Constitution and the
> >>secular equality >> > > > > > > it brings." But he didn't pray to
> any >>deity, which >> > > > > > > infuriated some Republicans who are
> >>Christians.  >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Accoring to the article, 'House Majority Leader
> > > > > > > > > > Steve Montenegro said Mendez's decision not to pray
> > > > > > > > > > to God
> >>didn't >> > > > > > meet House rules he issued earlier this year for
> >>the >> > > > > > opening prayer.  Speaker David Gowan then said
> >>"point of >> > > > > > order well taken".'
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > If Mendez were Pastararian, he could've prayed to
> > > > > > > > > > The FSM and that would've satisfied the "House
> > > > > > > > > > rules".
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Imagine the uproar if he had addressed his prayer to
> >>Satan....  >> > > >
> > > > > > > > He'd now be the most infamous man in America. And Satan
> > > > > > > > is referred to in the Bible as "the god of this world",
> > > > > > > > so the prayer might still have satisfied the House rule.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If he wanted to toss a hyperactive cat among the pigeons,
> > > > > > > he should table a motion asking for a comprehensive
> > > > > > > universal definition of "god"...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > They might've even killed him for that.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What would have happened in the UK for a comparable
> > > > > > situation?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nothing at all.
> > > > > 
> > > > > We don't do god in public life.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If Tony Blair had done what GWB did before ordering the
> > > > > troops into Iraq -- praying and reading the bible to seek
> > > > > divine guidance -- he would not have been prime minister long
> > > > > enough to see us conquering Baghdad.
> > > 
> > > He said afterwards that he "consulted God" before ordering the
> > > invasion.
> > > 
> > > He also said at the same time that he had kept quiet about it
> > > because people would think he was a religious nutter.
> > > 
> > > Unlike the reaction to Bush in the USA, the British were
> > > horrified.
> > > 
> > > > > We get much more exercised about bad manners.  The new leader
> > > > > of
> >>the >> Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was supposed to meet the Queen
> >>and go >> down on one knee.  When he refused to do so, being a
> >>republican, it >> caused a major uproar.  His religion is never
> > > mentioned....  >>
> > > > > Plus, we have the advantage of a state religion.  So for
> > > > > official acts we wheel out a vicar or bishop to mumble all
> > > > > the words without anyone having to make a personal
> > > > > declaration of (un)belief.  All
> >>very >> civilised.
> > > 
> > > And very few people  take any notice of the state religion.
> > > 
> > > Although its high-ups imagine they do.
> > > 
> > > Every so often some Bishop or Archbishop tells a largely
> > > non-believing
> > > country to start believing in Santa Claus again. Or was it God?
> > > Anyway, they're too stupid to understand that there's no
> > > substantive difference to most of their audience.
> > > 
> > > > What a shame that we didn't inherit more of that attitude from
> > > > you guys.
> > > 
> > > I can't imagine anybody like David Jenkins, the Bishop of Durham
> > > between 1984 and 1994, in the USA.
> > > 
> > > He was a very liberal theologian, who said things like not
> > > believing in the virgin birth because that sort of thing didn't
> > > happen. The conservatives vilified him for it, and when York
> > > Minster was struck by
> > > lightning they said that was Gawd's punishment for ordaining him.
> > > 
> > > The story is that he was chosen because Margaret Thatcher offered
> > > two alternatives - her choice and somebody she thought wouldn't be
> > > acceptable. But her choice was even less acceptable so she was
> > > stuck with Jenkins and had to advise the Queen (the nominal  head
> > > of the CofE but who carries out the advice of her Prime Minister
> > > in matters of state) to make him Bishop.
> > > 
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jenkins_%28bishop%29
> > 
> > Makes me envious of the Brits.
> 
> it should

Yeah. Even you guys in the the Great White North are more sensible than
we are about stuff like that.

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