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| From | "%" <persent@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism |
| Subject | Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute |
| Date | 2016-03-05 12:18 -0700 |
| Organization | Altopia Corp. - Usenet Access - www.altopia.com |
| Message-ID | <97c0u9.saj.17.1@news.alt.net> (permalink) |
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Ted&Alice Street wrote: > Christopher A. Lee wrote: > >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 14:31:39 +0000 (UTC), "Ted&Alice Street" >> <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> wrote: >> >>> Alex W. wrote: >>> >>>> On 05/03/2016 13:47, Ted&Alice Street wrote: >>>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 05/03/2016 12:42, Ted&Alice Street wrote: >>>>>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 04/03/2016 23:04, Ted&Alice Street wrote: >>>>>>>>> Mattb. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House >> Dispute >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/atheist-lawmakers-prayer-sets-off-arizona-house-dispute-37381282 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> An atheist member of the Arizona House denied the >> chance >> > > > > > > to deliver the chamber's opening prayer by >> majority >> > > > > > > Republican leaders last month got the >> opportunity >> > > > > > > Thursday, only to see leaders rule his >> prayer didn't pass >> > > > > > > muster and call up a Christian >> pastor. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez included a >>>>>>>>>> call to work to help the state and its residents >> flourish >> > > > > > > and to "honor the Constitution and the >> secular equality >> > > > > > > it brings." But he didn't pray to any >> deity, which >> > > > > > > infuriated some Republicans who are >> Christians. >> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Accoring to the article, 'House Majority Leader Steve >>>>>>>>> Montenegro said Mendez's decision not to pray to God >> didn't >> > > > > > meet House rules he issued earlier this year for >> the >> > > > > > opening prayer. Speaker David Gowan then said >> "point of >> > > > > > order well taken".' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If Mendez were Pastararian, he could've prayed to The FSM >>>>>>>>> and that would've satisfied the "House rules". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Imagine the uproar if he had addressed his prayer to >> Satan.... >> > > > >>>>>>> He'd now be the most infamous man in America. And Satan is >>>>>>> referred to in the Bible as "the god of this world", so the >>>>>>> prayer might still have satisfied the House rule. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If he wanted to toss a hyperactive cat among the pigeons, he >>>>>> should table a motion asking for a comprehensive universal >>>>>> definition of "god"... >>>>> >>>>> They might've even killed him for that. >>>>> >>>>> What would have happened in the UK for a comparable situation? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Nothing at all. >>>> >>>> We don't do god in public life. >>>> >>>> If Tony Blair had done what GWB did before ordering the troops into >>>> Iraq -- praying and reading the bible to seek divine guidance -- he >>>> would not have been prime minister long enough to see us conquering >>>> Baghdad. >> >> He said afterwards that he "consulted God" before ordering the >> invasion. >> >> He also said at the same time that he had kept quiet about it because >> people would think he was a religious nutter. >> >> Unlike the reaction to Bush in the USA, the British were horrified. >> >>>> We get much more exercised about bad manners. The new leader of >> the >> Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was supposed to meet the Queen >> and go >> down on one knee. When he refused to do so, being a >> republican, it >> caused a major uproar. His religion is never >> mentioned.... >> >>>> Plus, we have the advantage of a state religion. So for official >>>> acts we wheel out a vicar or bishop to mumble all the words without >>>> anyone having to make a personal declaration of (un)belief. All >> very >> civilised. >> >> And very few people take any notice of the state religion. >> >> Although its high-ups imagine they do. >> >> Every so often some Bishop or Archbishop tells a largely >> non-believing >> country to start believing in Santa Claus again. Or was it God? >> Anyway, they're too stupid to understand that there's no substantive >> difference to most of their audience. >> >>> What a shame that we didn't inherit more of that attitude from you >>> guys. >> >> I can't imagine anybody like David Jenkins, the Bishop of Durham >> between 1984 and 1994, in the USA. >> >> He was a very liberal theologian, who said things like not believing >> in the virgin birth because that sort of thing didn't happen. The >> conservatives vilified him for it, and when York Minster was struck >> by >> lightning they said that was Gawd's punishment for ordaining him. >> >> The story is that he was chosen because Margaret Thatcher offered two >> alternatives - her choice and somebody she thought wouldn't be >> acceptable. But her choice was even less acceptable so she was stuck >> with Jenkins and had to advise the Queen (the nominal head of the >> CofE but who carries out the advice of her Prime Minister in matters >> of state) to make him Bishop. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jenkins_%28bishop%29 > > Makes me envious of the Brits. it should
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Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Mattb. <trdell1234@outlook.com> - 2016-03-04 14:13 -0800
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-04 23:04 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 09:08 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 12:42 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 13:03 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 13:47 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 14:04 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 14:31 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:14 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 12:18 -0700
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:28 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 21:08 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 23:28 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:53 -0700
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-06 12:41 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:53 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-06 00:07 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-06 19:56 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:15 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Don Kresch <no@spam.org> - 2016-03-06 15:41 -0600
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:05 -0800
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:01 -0800
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:25 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 10:51 -0800
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-06 19:57 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-07 11:28 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MarkA <someone@somewhere.invalid> - 2016-03-05 01:10 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 09:53 -0800
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 02:23 -0800
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 09:56 -0800
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-05 23:51 +0000
Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 10:54 -0800
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