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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute

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Alex W. wrote:

> On 05/03/2016 13:47, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > Alex W. wrote:
> > 
> > > On 05/03/2016 12:42, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > > > Alex W. wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On 04/03/2016 23:04, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
> > > > > > Mattb. wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> >
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/atheist-lawmakers-prayer-sets-off-arizona-house-dispute-37381282
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > An atheist member of the Arizona House denied the chance
> > > > > > > to deliver the chamber's opening prayer by majority
> > > > > > > Republican leaders last month got the opportunity
> > > > > > > Thursday, only to see leaders rule his prayer didn't pass
> > > > > > > muster and call up a Christian pastor.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez included a
> > > > > > > call to work to help the state and its residents flourish
> > > > > > > and to "honor the Constitution and the secular equality
> > > > > > > it brings." But he didn't pray to any deity, which
> > > > > > > infuriated some Republicans who are Christians.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Accoring to the article, 'House Majority Leader Steve
> > > > > > Montenegro said Mendez's decision not to pray to God didn't
> > > > > > meet House rules he issued earlier this year for the
> > > > > > opening prayer.  Speaker David Gowan then said "point of
> > > > > > order well taken".'
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If Mendez were Pastararian, he could've prayed to The FSM
> > > > > > and that would've satisfied the "House rules".
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Imagine the uproar if he had addressed his prayer to Satan....
> > > > 
> > > > He'd now be the most infamous man in America. And Satan is
> > > > referred to in the Bible as "the god of this world", so the
> > > > prayer might still have satisfied the House rule.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > If he wanted to toss a hyperactive cat among the pigeons, he
> > > should table a motion asking for a comprehensive universal
> > > definition of "god"...
> > 
> > They might've even killed him for that.
> > 
> > What would have happened in the UK for a comparable situation?
> > 
> 
> Nothing at all.
> 
> We don't do god in public life.
> 
> If Tony Blair had done what GWB did before ordering the troops into
> Iraq -- praying and reading the bible to seek divine guidance -- he
> would not have been prime minister long enough to see us conquering
> Baghdad.
> 
> We get much more exercised about bad manners.  The new leader of the
> Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was supposed to meet the Queen and go
> down on one knee.  When he refused to do so, being a republican, it
> caused a major uproar.  His religion is never mentioned....
> 
> Plus, we have the advantage of a state religion.  So for official
> acts we wheel out a vicar or bishop to mumble all the words without
> anyone having to make a personal declaration of (un)belief.  All very
> civilised.

What a shame that we didn't inherit more of that attitude from you
guys.

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Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Mattb. <trdell1234@outlook.com> - 2016-03-04 14:13 -0800
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-04 23:04 +0000
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 09:08 +0000
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 12:42 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 13:03 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 13:47 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 14:04 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:14 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 12:18 -0700
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:28 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 21:08 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 23:28 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:53 -0700
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-06 12:41 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:53 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-06 00:07 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-06 19:56 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:15 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Don Kresch <no@spam.org> - 2016-03-06 15:41 -0600
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:05 -0800
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:01 -0800
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:25 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 10:51 -0800
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-06 19:57 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-07 11:28 +0000
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MarkA <someone@somewhere.invalid> - 2016-03-05 01:10 +0000
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 09:53 -0800
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 02:23 -0800
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 09:56 -0800
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-05 23:51 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 10:54 -0800

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