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Re: Computers anyone?

From Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Computers anyone?
Date 2016-03-09 07:27 -0800
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Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> writes:
> When did this become the US politics newsgroup?

The Outrageous Adolescence of the F-16; The Viper was small, fast, and
in your face
http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/outrageous-adolescence-f-16-180949491/?no-ist

9yrs ago, John Boyd, January 23, 1927 - March 9, 1997, tribute in USNI
Procedings, for those w/o membership ... it is here at wayback machine
http://web.archive.org/web/20011224132049/http://www.infowar.com/iwftp/cspinney/c199.txt

He used it to re-design the F-15, changing it from an 80,000-pound,
swing-wing, sluggish behemoth, to a 40,000-pound fixed-wing,
high-performance, maneuvering fighter. His crowning glory was his use of
the theory to evolve the lightweight fighters that eventually became the
YF-16 and YF-17 prototypes--and then to insist that the winner be chosen
in the competitive market of a free-play flyoff.  The YF-16, which won,
is still the most maneuverable fighter ever designed. The production
successors, the not-so-lightweight F-16 (Air Force) and the F/A-18 (the
Navy-Marine Corps aircraft that evolved from the YF-17), together with
the F-15, dominate the skies today.

... snip ...

by the time John passes, the air force has pretty much disowned him, it
was the Marines that were at Arlington. Boyd had story how the F15
forces knew he was working on YF-16 design and tried to get the Air
Force to charge him with theft of several million in gov. property; aka
supercomputer time used for YF-16 design, however an audit of
gov. computers failed to turn up the evidence. Hugh Laurie (TV House)
wrote a novel about military-industrial-complex and how egregious MICC
can be (and references Boyd).

disclaimer: I sponsored Boyd's briefings at IBM

Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War; pg9/loc205-11: The
grass was wet and the air was clean and sweet. The crowd gathered at
Section Sixty, grave site number 3,660. The Marine colonel took from his
pocket a Marine Corps insignia, the eagle globe and anchor. He marched
out of the crowd, kneeled, and placed the insignia near the urn
containing Boyd's ashes. Someone took a picture. In that frozen moment
the light of the flash sparkled on the eagle globe and anchor, causing
it to stand out sharply against the bronze urn and green grass. The
black insignia drew every eye. As one, and without a command to do so,
the young lieutenants snapped to attention. Placing the symbol of the
U.S. Marine Corps on a grave is the highest honor a Marine can
bestow. It is rarely seen, even at the funeral of decorated combat
Marines, and it may have been the first time in history an Air Force
pilot received the honor.

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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Computers anyone? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-03-09 08:22 +0000
  Re: Computers anyone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 19:25 +1100
  Re: Computers anyone? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-09 13:41 +0000
    Re: Computers anyone? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-09 06:48 -0700
    Re: Computers anyone? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-03-09 14:00 +0000
      Re: Computers anyone? "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 04:46 +1100
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        Re: Computers anyone? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-10 07:29 -0700
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          Re: Computers anyone? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-11 13:08 +0000
            Re: Computers anyone? "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 04:02 +1100
              Re: Computers anyone? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-12 13:34 +0000
                Re: Computers anyone? "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 04:35 +1100
                Re: Computers anyone? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 15:54 -0500
                Re: Computers anyone? pechter@chuckie.(none) (William Pechter) - 2016-03-12 20:51 +0000
                Re: Computers anyone? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-13 07:44 +0000
                Re: Computers anyone? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:00 -0400
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          Re: Computers anyone? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-03-12 15:10 -0800
          Re: Computers anyone? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-12 18:03 -0800
            Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-12 18:34 -0800
            Re: Computers anyone? "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 15:28 +1100
  Re: Computers anyone? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-09 14:08 +0000
  Re: Computers anyone? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-09 14:41 +0000
  Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-09 07:27 -0800
    Re: Computers anyone? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-09 13:44 -0600
      Re: Computers anyone? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-09 20:15 +0000
      Re: Computers anyone? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 17:38 -0500
        Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-09 17:14 -0800
          Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-09 17:35 -0800
            Re: Computers anyone? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 21:31 -0500
              Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-09 20:25 -0800
                Re: Computers anyone? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-10 01:55 -0700
                Re: Computers anyone? mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-10 11:47 +0000
                Re: Computers anyone? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 08:54 -0500
                Re: Computers anyone? Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-03-30 12:47 -0400
                Re: Computers anyone? "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:01 +1100
                Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-10 09:04 -0800
                Re: Computers anyone? "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:28 +1100
                Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-10 13:44 -0800
                Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-10 19:28 -0800
                Re: Computers anyone? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 06:16 -0500
                Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 10:37 -0800
                Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-12 12:37 -0800
                Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-17 09:25 -0700
        Re: Computers anyone? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-09 21:35 -0600
          Re: Computers anyone? mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-10 11:52 +0000
            Re: Computers anyone? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 08:55 -0500
        Re: Computers anyone? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-10 13:53 +0000
          Re: Computers anyone? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-10 14:21 -0600
            Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-10 13:17 -0800
            Re: Computers anyone? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 20:29 -0500
          Re: Computers anyone? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 20:17 -0500
      Re: Computers anyone? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-09 16:42 -0800
        Re: Computers anyone? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 20:19 -0500
  Re: Computers anyone? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-09 12:13 -0500
    Re: Computers anyone? "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 04:58 +1100
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  Re: Computers anyone? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-09 13:39 -0600
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      Re: Computers anyone? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-10 14:06 -0600
        Re: Computers anyone? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-11 13:08 +0000
        Re: Computers anyone? mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-11 14:10 +0000
          Re: Computers anyone? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-11 16:21 +0000
          Re: Computers anyone? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-11 17:04 -0700
            Re: Computers anyone? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-03-12 18:04 +0000
              Re: Computers anyone? mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-12 19:32 +0000
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            Re: Computers anyone? mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-12 19:30 +0000
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