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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: Computers anyone? |
| Date | 2016-03-12 18:34 -0800 |
| Organization | Wheeler&Wheeler |
| Message-ID | <87bn6j9kd5.fsf@garlic.com> (permalink) |
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hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> The whole idea of 'automated' personal computers was flawed. Remember,
> we had computer viruses even in DOS days.
>
> Hardware and software designers should've learned from that, but
> they made things much worse.
>
> Just like the Internet was designed 'too open', so were PCs. (Did they
> have viruses on CPM machines? CICS or TSO?) The computer industry was
> so hell bent on making machines super easy to use that they allowed
> too many vulnerabilities. They really should've known better.
>
> Amazingly, now cell phones are at risk.
>
> When I got Windows XP, which wasn't cheap, they said it was a secure
> system. But now they said its security is terrible. Go figure.
>
> Today, when we add a new application to our PC, we don't have to do
> anything, it is totally automated. Perhaps it wouldn't kill us to have
> to follow some instructions and issue some DOS commands to allow a new
> application. Those commands could only be issued at the PC from the
> keyboard. Is this a bad idea?
PCs were stand-alone ("air-gapped") and small (safe) private business
LANs. Lots of business applications with automated execution evolved in
the small/safe private business LANs.
1996 MSDC at Moscone had banners saying "Internet" all over the place,
but the slogon in all the sessions was "protect your investment" ....
this was all the automated (basic) applications developed for the
small/safe business environment carried over to the internet ...
basically the same network support for local small/safe business network
... was expanded to support tcp/ip (and the anarchy of the internet)
... w/o any additional safeguards or countermeasures.
up until mid-90s, the major internet threat/vulnerabilities was buffer
length exploits in c-language implemented softare. Going into the
late 90s, the MS "automated execution" exploits grew until they
were as common as the buffer length exploits.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#buffer
old 2004 post with some analyses did on CVE database, at the time I
talked to the Mitre people about requiring classification keywords
in the CVE reports, but they said that they were lucky to get the
details they do get, if they started asking for better detail, some
people might not bother with generating CVE at all
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#43 security taxonomy and CVE
past '96 MSDC posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#49 Virus propagation risks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#45 Computer programming was all about:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#22 Why did TCP become popular ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#34 Next generation processor architecture?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#51 Specifying all biz rules in relational data
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#50 DOS C prompt in "Vista"?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#18 Oddly good news week: Google announces a Caps library for Javascript
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007u.html#87 CompUSA to Close after Jan. 1st 2008
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#26 realtors (and GM, too!)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#43 The 50th Anniversary of the Legendary IBM 1401
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#63 who pioneered the WEB
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#66 What is the protocal for GMT offset in SMTP (e-mail) header
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#37 (slightly OT - Linux) Did IBM bet on the wrong OS?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#36 Favourite computer history books?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#9 The IETF is probably the single element in the global equation of technology competition than has resulted in the INTERNET
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#40 The Great Cyberheist
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#50 IBM and the Computer Revolution
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#58 IBM and the Computer Revolution
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#15 Identifying Latest zOS Fixes
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#57 Are Tablets a Passing Fad?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#18 John R. Opel, RIP
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#59 The lost art of real programming
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#141 With cloud computing back to old problems as DDos attacks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#81 The PC industry is heading for collapse
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012.html#93 Where are all the old tech workers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#18 Zeus/SpyEye 'Automatic Transfer' Module Masks Online Banking Theft
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#32 Zeus/SpyEye 'Automatic Transfer' Module Masks Online Banking Theft
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012i.html#37 Simulated PDP-11 Blinkenlight front panel for SimH
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#93 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012j.html#97 Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#45 New HD
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013k.html#68 Steve B sees what investors think
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#10 It's all K&R's fault
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014f.html#11 Before the Internet: The golden age of online services
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014h.html#23 weird trivia
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#87 On a lighter note, even the Holograms are demonstrating
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#35 The real story of how the Internet became so vulnerable
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#90 These hackers warned the Internet would become a security disaster. Nobody listened
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#35 [Poll] Computing favorities
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015g.html#39 [Poll] Computing favorities
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