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Re: Computers anyone?

From "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Computers anyone?
Date 2016-03-13 15:28 +1100
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<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message 
news:c801ff6f-f143-4a68-8846-53f3e05a9f56@googlegroups.com...
> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>
>> This would actually fit windows.  The idea of attachments in email 
>> running
>> automatically was a _choice_ made in favor of "ease of use".  I think
>> Cutler tried to get better security in NT, but was overruled because it
>> added overhead.
>
> The whole idea of 'automated' personal computers was flawed.

Nope, plenty like backups should be automated.

> Remember, we had computer viruses even in DOS days.

Separate matter entirely.

> Hardware and software designers should've learned from that, but
> they made things much worse.

No they did not.

> Just like the Internet was designed 'too open', so were PCs.

But that is one of the things that produced a tremendously
useful result, just like it did with the internet.

> (Did they have viruses on CPM machines?

Yep.

> CICS or TSO?)  The computer industry was
> so hell bent on making machines super easy to use that they allowed
> too many vulnerabilities.

And yet while iOS is the result of making machines super
easy to use, it isn't vulnerable to viruses and malware at all.
Perfectly possible to do.

> They really should've known better.

They did.

> Amazingly, now cell phones are at risk.

Hardly surprising given they are just very small and portable computers.

And only the poorly designed ones are at risk.

> When I got Windows XP, which wasn't
> cheap, they said it was a secure system.

It never was.

> But now they said its security is terrible.  Go figure.

Nothing to figure, you didn't bother to check the claim that was made.

> Today, when we add a new application to our PC,
> we don't have to do anything, it is totally automated.

And that works fine with iOS, doesn't affect security at all.

> Perhaps it wouldn't kill us to have to follow some instructions
> and issue some DOS commands to allow a new application.

No point when you have to agree to it being installed.

> Those commands could only be issued at the PC from the keyboard.

Just as true of agreeing to allow it to be installed.

> Is this a bad idea?

Yep, you don't have a clue about the basics.

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