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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.mobile.android |
| Subject | Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? |
| Date | 2018-10-11 19:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2ad49f-ksg.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
| References | (12 earlier) <ppis7q.c04.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> <b4mdnTdsDJSFJyDGnZ2dnUU7-bPNnZ2d@giganews.com> <ppl37o$m7i$1@dont-email.me> <M8idnVbBa_m9cyPGnZ2dnUU7-bnNnZ2d@giganews.com> <g2961mF28veU1@mid.individual.net> |
On 11/10/2018 16.44, Percival P. Cassidy wrote: > On 10/11/18 2:30 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote: > >>> Note that unlocked phones, not provided by the carrier, still receive >>> pushed updates. I have several unlocked, non-carrier specific, >>> Motorola/Lenovo phones purchased not from the carrier. They get both >>> the major updates (i.e. Nougat to Oreo) as well as the security updates. >> >> Yes, that was my point too when I mentioned that I bought a phone >> directly, and my wife got hers through the carrier. Identical phones, >> non-identical update paths. >> >>> For phones not normally sold in the U.S. it may be different. >>> >>> Many phones sold in the U.S. are not purchased from the carrier. For >>> example, if you buy an unlocked phone from an Apple store or from >>> Apple online, it will work with any U.S. carrier. Ditto for Samsung >>> phones from Samsung. You will still get the OS and security updates. >> >> Yes, here in NA, the idea of purchasing a phone directly from a vendor >> rather than through the carrier really took off after Apple started >> selling the iPhone. 50% of iPhones are directly purchased from Apple, >> while 50% come through a carrier. Apple is the only one with this >> culture of direct purchasing, other mfgs are mostly sold through the >> carriers. >> >> North Americans really have no such thing as independent phone >> boutiques, who sell phone models not directly associated with >> carriers. In the rest of the world, you can see all kinds of makes of >> phones, like Huawei, Oppo, or ZTE. Even though these phones can >> potentially work here, if they aren't carried by the carriers, it's >> like as if they never even existed. > > I'm not sure that you are correct: I'm pretty sure that Best Buy, for > example (although I detest them more and more), sells phones from > multiple companies and can sign the purchaser up with Verizon or AT&T > (and maybe other carriers as well). I see a list of unlocked phones on their web page. <https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/category/unlocked-phones/743355.aspx?> But going in person I saw very few. I suppose the correct tab is "best buy only", and then I see a single Motorola model. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-06 21:32 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 13:40 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 08:30 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 15:20 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 15:58 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:54 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:27 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-07 20:55 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 21:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:40 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 19:02 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-08 14:49 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 04:33 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:22 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:38 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 12:49 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:01 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 19:48 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 02:55 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:19 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 10:41 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:45 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 16:50 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:24 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-10 11:27 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-10 18:08 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 17:58 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:14 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:50 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:00 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-10 18:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:00 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 09:31 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:53 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 09:38 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 10:11 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 21:49 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 22:39 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 19:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 01:38 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 10:20 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:25 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 14:51 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 14:56 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 15:18 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-12 19:02 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 18:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 19:59 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-13 02:46 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-13 09:42 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-14 10:14 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-14 11:39 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-14 17:05 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-14 18:30 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-12 06:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:33 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 15:46 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 10:11 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 22:23 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 20:01 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-13 13:13 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-13 16:32 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-15 14:39 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:38 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:04 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:46 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:08 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:07 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-09 18:48 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:43 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:16 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 23:09 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:46 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 12:51 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-11 14:03 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 19:12 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-11 18:02 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 14:01 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 15:14 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-13 10:07 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 20:23 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:18 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:11 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 04:25 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:50 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-10 10:24 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:34 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:28 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:11 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:09 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:08 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:10 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 19:11 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 14:49 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:36 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 14:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:21 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:39 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:44 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:30 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 04:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2018-10-11 10:44 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 19:19 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-12 01:46 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 01:52 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 14:11 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 08:36 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 08:50 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-12 12:19 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-13 13:17 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 11:17 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 11:26 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:10 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:32 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 20:08 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-08 06:30 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 15:49 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-08 10:39 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:24 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:09 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 21:31 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 20:09 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 03:45 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-08 03:40 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 15:56 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:32 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:45 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 13:32 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:12 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 19:22 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2018-10-10 12:01 +0300
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:16 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:38 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-08 07:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2018-10-07 13:04 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 17:28 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2018-10-07 18:50 +0100
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:48 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:26 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:27 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:48 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:34 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:46 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:13 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-08 10:46 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-08 14:52 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:17 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-07 14:23 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 03:48 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 17:29 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:09 -0700
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