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| Started by | numbernumber1964@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2018-06-07 10:13 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-06-14 13:04 -0700 |
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Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-07 10:13 -0700
Particle physics 2 john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 10:17 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-08 15:02 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 17:39 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-08 14:58 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 20:43 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-08 19:13 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-08 18:48 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-07 12:25 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 20:38 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-07 22:44 +0200
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-07 12:26 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-07 12:27 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-07 23:06 +0200
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 21:47 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-08 04:16 +0200
Re: Particle physics 2 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-07 22:38 +0200
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-08 15:07 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-08 09:57 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 17:48 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-08 10:05 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 17:48 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-08 14:53 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 12:54 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-08 18:57 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-08 12:26 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 20:43 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-08 12:27 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 20:43 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-08 19:10 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-09 19:03 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 22:50 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-10 21:11 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 11:58 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 08:09 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-12 18:05 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 06:48 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 09:30 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 16:43 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 09:31 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 09:36 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 16:46 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-11 14:07 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 19:27 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 09:39 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 16:56 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-11 14:06 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 17:24 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 22:46 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 05:31 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-12 09:09 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 08:31 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-12 17:34 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 17:00 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-12 17:15 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 22:06 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 09:43 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 12:27 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 19:53 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 12:32 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 19:59 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 17:29 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 08:20 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 12:48 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 20:45 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 17:34 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 12:52 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 08:25 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 12:53 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 08:42 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-12 18:12 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 00:50 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-12 22:29 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 12:21 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-13 11:36 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-13 13:03 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-13 14:38 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 06:50 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 14:33 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 22:30 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 14:36 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 22:31 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 14:39 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 14:52 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 15:05 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 15:07 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 15:55 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-12 00:02 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 12:27 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-12 09:10 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 14:36 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 17:21 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-12 01:28 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 09:02 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 17:51 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 12:27 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-12 09:16 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 14:36 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-12 09:54 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 17:55 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-12 01:33 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 18:12 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 18:24 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 18:35 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-12 01:49 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-11 18:36 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-12 01:54 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 09:33 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 10:08 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 09:41 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 17:53 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-12 17:55 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 10:04 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 10:18 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-12 17:57 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 18:01 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 10:06 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-12 17:59 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 06:20 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 10:17 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 10:21 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-12 18:05 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 18:35 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 10:24 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 13:59 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 22:06 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 06:22 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-13 15:48 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 14:02 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 14:04 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 14:09 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 22:06 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 06:37 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 14:13 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 22:06 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-13 01:26 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 08:04 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 15:39 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 00:50 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-12 22:33 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 15:45 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 00:50 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-13 15:46 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-13 01:31 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 15:50 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 00:50 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-12 22:36 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 07:28 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-13 11:13 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 18:14 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-06-12 22:15 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-13 01:34 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 08:05 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 07:25 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 11:14 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 07:53 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> - 2018-06-14 11:38 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 11:17 -0700
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Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 18:40 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-13 15:50 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 11:24 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-13 14:43 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-13 15:52 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 11:25 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 07:57 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 12:31 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 20:30 +0000
Re: Particle physics 2 Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-13 16:42 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 13:55 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 08:06 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 12:42 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-14 11:52 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 13:04 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 13:08 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-14 12:40 -0500
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-14 16:01 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:39 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 13:58 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-13 14:01 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-13 20:41 -0400
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-14 11:15 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 furthermore7990662@gmail.com - 2018-06-14 11:57 -0700
Re: Particle physics 2 numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-06-14 13:04 -0700
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| From | numbernumber1964@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 10:13 -0700 |
| Subject | Particle physics 2 |
| Message-ID | <20a7649f-d3da-4d46-99df-da72ae0563d6@googlegroups.com> |
The masses of the subatomic particles are measured using the curve paths of the liquid hydrogen bubble tracks within the bubble chamber that established particle physics. Initially, an accelerated proton beam is incident to an external metallic target that collision produces subatomic particles that propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber and interact with the hydrogen atoms forming the hydrogen bubble tracks but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a hole in the bubble chamber and causing an explosion of the liquid hydrogen. Rutherford's gold foil experiment is used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the bubble chamber but Rutherford's alpha particles cannot propagate through a quarter inch thick steel plate. Muons produced by the atmospheric decay of cosmic rays are also used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber but a muon is 200 times more massive than an electron. A 2000 W arc welder's electron beam can cut and weld steel. A high density of high energy muons propagating through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber would result in the formation of a hole in the bubble chamber and a hydrogen explosion. The Soudan muon detector that is located at the bottom of a 1,800 meters deep mine shaft (Ayre, p. 2) is used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber but a muon that has a mass larger than an electron cannot propagate through more than 1,400 meters of bedrock. It is more likely that the Soudan muon detector is detecting radioactive isotopes that exist at the bottom of the former Soudan iron mine. The CERN Large Hadron Collider LHC (2017) describes a hadron (proton) beam that is accelerated using a beam pipe and superconducting magnets but a magnetic field does not accelerate protons. Using an analogy, a solenoid's magnetic force alters the position of the iron armature but solenoid's magnetic field does not affect the position of wood chips, charged dust particles or protons. The cyclotron is used to justify the acceleration of the hadron beam. The cyclotron accelerates protons and alpha particles where the cyclotron particles are accelerated using an electric potential between two halves of the cyclotron semi-circle metal apparatus but the cyclotron charged particles would be attracted to the charged semi-circle metallic apparatus preventing the acceleration of the protons or alpha particles. Using an analogy, an electron beam of an arc welder is formed when the electrons are propagating from towards a positive charged anode and collide with the positive charged surface yet the Lawence Livermore cyclotron depicts the particle beam with a blue colored light emission. The LHC experiment is based on hadron beams consisting of disassociated hydrogen gas molecules but the disassociation of hydrogen would result in an extremely unstable protons. Proton beam therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron would destroy human skin, bone and tissue in the path of the proton beam similar to the affects of an arch welder. It is more likely that gamma rays are producing the effects of proton beam therapy. The LHC 27 km circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets do not accelerate the proton beam since a magnetic field effects metal objects such as a carpenter nail, paper clip or iron filings. A magnet does not affect the position of wood chips, charged dust particles or protons. The RF cavity is used to accelerate the protons but the electric field of the RF cavity would result in the protons to collided with the negative surface. It is questionable what is the purposed of the 27 km circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets since the RF cavity is ostensibly accelerating the protons not the 27 km circumference beam pipe and magnets. It would have been much cheaper to build a series of RF cavities facing each other and eliminating the extremely expensive 27 km circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets. The two accelerated proton beams propagate through the 27 km circumference beam pipe and are combined within the Atlas particle physics detector which is used to form the images of the two proton beam's collision that is used to justify the existence of subatomic particles but the the detector is composed of concentric metal cylinders around the interaction point where the proton beams collision occurs but the concentric cylinders are composed of metal (matter). The subatomic particles that are composed of matter cannot propagate through the detector cylinders without producing a holes in the metallic cylinders and destroying the detector.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 10:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <432ed141-d9d8-4e11-b1cd-17b34adcbb37@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #689319 |
Let’s smash YOU into a wall at 200mph and see what YOU’RE made from- Oh!!- humans are made of jelly!
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 15:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pfencd$ebj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #689323 |
On 6/7/2018 12:17 PM, john wrote: > Let’s smash YOU into a wall at 200mph and see what YOU’RE made from- Oh!!- humans are made of jelly! > oh, Tesla Autopilot Driving
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 17:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pfbqjl$1gf6$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #689319 |
<numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote: > The masses of the subatomic particles are measured using the curve paths > of the liquid hydrogen bubble tracks within the bubble chamber that > established particle physics. Initially, an accelerated proton beam is > incident to an external metallic target that collision produces subatomic > particles that propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble > chamber and interact with the hydrogen atoms forming the hydrogen bubble > tracks but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate > through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a > hole in the bubble chamber and causing an explosion of the liquid > hydrogen. Rutherford's gold foil experiment is used to justify subatomic > particles propagating through the bubble chamber but Rutherford's alpha > particles cannot propagate through a quarter inch thick steel plate. > Muons produced by the atmospheric decay of cosmic rays are also used to > justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel enclosure of > the bubble chamber but a muon is 200 times more massive than an electron. > A 2000 W arc welder's electron beam can cut and weld steel. A high > density of high energy muons propagating through the steel enclosure of > the bubble chamber would result in the formation of a hole in the bubble > chamber and a hydrogen explosion. The Soudan muon detector that is > located at the bottom of a 1,800 meters deep mine shaft (Ayre, p. 2) is > used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel > enclosure of the bubble chamber but a muon that has a mass larger than an > electron cannot propagate through more than 1,400 meters of bedrock. It > is more likely that the Soudan muon detector is detecting radioactive > isotopes that exist at the bottom of the former Soudan iron mine. The > CERN Large Hadron Collider LHC (2017) describes a hadron (proton) beam > that is accelerated using a beam pipe and superconducting magnets but a > magnetic field does not accelerate protons. Using an analogy, a > solenoid's magnetic force alters the position of the iron armature but > solenoid's magnetic field does not affect the position of wood chips, > charged dust particles or protons. The cyclotron is used to justify the > acceleration of the hadron beam. The cyclotron accelerates protons and > alpha particles where the cyclotron particles are accelerated using an > electric potential between two halves of the cyclotron semi-circle metal > apparatus but the cyclotron charged particles would be attracted to the > charged semi-circle metallic apparatus preventing the acceleration of the > protons or alpha particles. Using an analogy, an electron beam of an arc > welder is formed when the electrons are propagating from towards a > positive charged anode and collide with the positive charged surface yet > the Lawence Livermore cyclotron depicts the particle beam with a blue > colored light emission. The LHC experiment is based on hadron beams > consisting of disassociated hydrogen gas molecules but the disassociation > of hydrogen would result in an extremely unstable protons. Proton beam > therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons > that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron would destroy human > skin, bone and tissue in the path of the proton beam similar to the > affects of an arch welder. It is more likely that gamma rays are > producing the effects of proton beam therapy. The LHC 27 km circumference > beam pipe and superconducting magnets do not accelerate the proton beam > since a magnetic field effects metal objects such as a carpenter nail, > paper clip or iron filings. A magnet does not affect the position of wood > chips, charged dust particles or protons. The RF cavity is used to > accelerate the protons but the electric field of the RF cavity would > result in the protons to collided with the negative surface. It is > questionable what is the purposed of the 27 km circumference beam pipe > and superconducting magnets since the RF cavity is ostensibly > accelerating the protons not the 27 km circumference beam pipe and > magnets. It would have been much cheaper to build a series of RF cavities > facing each other and eliminating the extremely expensive 27 km > circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets. The two accelerated > proton beams propagate through the 27 km circumference beam pipe and are > combined within the Atlas particle physics detector which is used to form > the images of the two proton beam's collision that is used to justify the > existence of subatomic particles but the the detector is composed of > concentric metal cylinders around the interaction point where the proton > beams collision occurs but the concentric cylinders are composed of metal > (matter). The subatomic particles that are composed of matter cannot > propagate through the detector cylinders without producing a holes in the > metallic cylinders and destroying the detector. > It may be of interest you (maybe not) that your understanding of the history of particle physics is very limited to the point of being wholesale wrong. Muons, mesons, and non-nucleon baryons were initially discovered in cosmic ray experiments, most notably by using mountaintop and balloon detectors, and not particle accelerators. Secondly, the detectors used during that discovery phase were electroscopes, cloud chambers, spark chambers, and photo emulsions, not bubble chambers. The use of bubble chambers at particle accelerators only took off after the existence of a lot of those particles was already firmly established. A little knowledge is an abettor of foolishness. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-06-08 14:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pfen4r$duf$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #689327 |
On 6/7/2018 12:39 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote: >> The masses of the subatomic particles are measured using the curve paths >> of the liquid hydrogen bubble tracks within the bubble chamber that >> established particle physics. Initially, an accelerated proton beam is >> incident to an external metallic target that collision produces subatomic >> particles that propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble >> chamber and interact with the hydrogen atoms forming the hydrogen bubble >> tracks but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate >> through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a >> hole in the bubble chamber and causing an explosion of the liquid >> hydrogen. Rutherford's gold foil experiment is used to justify subatomic >> particles propagating through the bubble chamber but Rutherford's alpha >> particles cannot propagate through a quarter inch thick steel plate. >> Muons produced by the atmospheric decay of cosmic rays are also used to >> justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel enclosure of >> the bubble chamber but a muon is 200 times more massive than an electron. >> A 2000 W arc welder's electron beam can cut and weld steel. A high >> density of high energy muons propagating through the steel enclosure of >> the bubble chamber would result in the formation of a hole in the bubble >> chamber and a hydrogen explosion. The Soudan muon detector that is >> located at the bottom of a 1,800 meters deep mine shaft (Ayre, p. 2) is >> used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel >> enclosure of the bubble chamber but a muon that has a mass larger than an >> electron cannot propagate through more than 1,400 meters of bedrock. It >> is more likely that the Soudan muon detector is detecting radioactive >> isotopes that exist at the bottom of the former Soudan iron mine. The >> CERN Large Hadron Collider LHC (2017) describes a hadron (proton) beam >> that is accelerated using a beam pipe and superconducting magnets but a >> magnetic field does not accelerate protons. Using an analogy, a >> solenoid's magnetic force alters the position of the iron armature but >> solenoid's magnetic field does not affect the position of wood chips, >> charged dust particles or protons. The cyclotron is used to justify the >> acceleration of the hadron beam. The cyclotron accelerates protons and >> alpha particles where the cyclotron particles are accelerated using an >> electric potential between two halves of the cyclotron semi-circle metal >> apparatus but the cyclotron charged particles would be attracted to the >> charged semi-circle metallic apparatus preventing the acceleration of the >> protons or alpha particles. Using an analogy, an electron beam of an arc >> welder is formed when the electrons are propagating from towards a >> positive charged anode and collide with the positive charged surface yet >> the Lawence Livermore cyclotron depicts the particle beam with a blue >> colored light emission. The LHC experiment is based on hadron beams >> consisting of disassociated hydrogen gas molecules but the disassociation >> of hydrogen would result in an extremely unstable protons. Proton beam >> therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons >> that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron would destroy human >> skin, bone and tissue in the path of the proton beam similar to the >> affects of an arch welder. It is more likely that gamma rays are >> producing the effects of proton beam therapy. The LHC 27 km circumference >> beam pipe and superconducting magnets do not accelerate the proton beam >> since a magnetic field effects metal objects such as a carpenter nail, >> paper clip or iron filings. A magnet does not affect the position of wood >> chips, charged dust particles or protons. The RF cavity is used to >> accelerate the protons but the electric field of the RF cavity would >> result in the protons to collided with the negative surface. It is >> questionable what is the purposed of the 27 km circumference beam pipe >> and superconducting magnets since the RF cavity is ostensibly >> accelerating the protons not the 27 km circumference beam pipe and >> magnets. It would have been much cheaper to build a series of RF cavities >> facing each other and eliminating the extremely expensive 27 km >> circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets. The two accelerated >> proton beams propagate through the 27 km circumference beam pipe and are >> combined within the Atlas particle physics detector which is used to form >> the images of the two proton beam's collision that is used to justify the >> existence of subatomic particles but the the detector is composed of >> concentric metal cylinders around the interaction point where the proton >> beams collision occurs but the concentric cylinders are composed of metal >> (matter). The subatomic particles that are composed of matter cannot >> propagate through the detector cylinders without producing a holes in the >> metallic cylinders and destroying the detector. >> > > It may be of interest you (maybe not) that your understanding of the > history of particle physics is very limited to the point of being wholesale > wrong. > > Muons, mesons, and non-nucleon baryons were initially discovered in cosmic > ray experiments, most notably by using mountaintop and balloon detectors, > and not particle accelerators. Secondly, the detectors used during that > discovery phase were electroscopes, cloud chambers, spark chambers, and > photo emulsions, not bubble chambers. The use of bubble chambers at > particle accelerators only took off after the existence of a lot of those > particles was already firmly established. > > A little knowledge is an abettor of foolishness. > an excellent book is "Cosmic Rays" by Leprince-Ringuet, 1950 (orgionally in french), they show highly advanced could chambers and how to calculate what the particals are, many examples, excellent book.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 20:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pfepq8$ig5$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #689539 |
Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: > On 6/7/2018 12:39 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The masses of the subatomic particles are measured using the curve paths >>> of the liquid hydrogen bubble tracks within the bubble chamber that >>> established particle physics. Initially, an accelerated proton beam is >>> incident to an external metallic target that collision produces subatomic >>> particles that propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble >>> chamber and interact with the hydrogen atoms forming the hydrogen bubble >>> tracks but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate >>> through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a >>> hole in the bubble chamber and causing an explosion of the liquid >>> hydrogen. Rutherford's gold foil experiment is used to justify subatomic >>> particles propagating through the bubble chamber but Rutherford's alpha >>> particles cannot propagate through a quarter inch thick steel plate. >>> Muons produced by the atmospheric decay of cosmic rays are also used to >>> justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel enclosure of >>> the bubble chamber but a muon is 200 times more massive than an electron. >>> A 2000 W arc welder's electron beam can cut and weld steel. A high >>> density of high energy muons propagating through the steel enclosure of >>> the bubble chamber would result in the formation of a hole in the bubble >>> chamber and a hydrogen explosion. The Soudan muon detector that is >>> located at the bottom of a 1,800 meters deep mine shaft (Ayre, p. 2) is >>> used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel >>> enclosure of the bubble chamber but a muon that has a mass larger than an >>> electron cannot propagate through more than 1,400 meters of bedrock. It >>> is more likely that the Soudan muon detector is detecting radioactive >>> isotopes that exist at the bottom of the former Soudan iron mine. The >>> CERN Large Hadron Collider LHC (2017) describes a hadron (proton) beam >>> that is accelerated using a beam pipe and superconducting magnets but a >>> magnetic field does not accelerate protons. Using an analogy, a >>> solenoid's magnetic force alters the position of the iron armature but >>> solenoid's magnetic field does not affect the position of wood chips, >>> charged dust particles or protons. The cyclotron is used to justify the >>> acceleration of the hadron beam. The cyclotron accelerates protons and >>> alpha particles where the cyclotron particles are accelerated using an >>> electric potential between two halves of the cyclotron semi-circle metal >>> apparatus but the cyclotron charged particles would be attracted to the >>> charged semi-circle metallic apparatus preventing the acceleration of the >>> protons or alpha particles. Using an analogy, an electron beam of an arc >>> welder is formed when the electrons are propagating from towards a >>> positive charged anode and collide with the positive charged surface yet >>> the Lawence Livermore cyclotron depicts the particle beam with a blue >>> colored light emission. The LHC experiment is based on hadron beams >>> consisting of disassociated hydrogen gas molecules but the disassociation >>> of hydrogen would result in an extremely unstable protons. Proton beam >>> therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons >>> that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron would destroy human >>> skin, bone and tissue in the path of the proton beam similar to the >>> affects of an arch welder. It is more likely that gamma rays are >>> producing the effects of proton beam therapy. The LHC 27 km circumference >>> beam pipe and superconducting magnets do not accelerate the proton beam >>> since a magnetic field effects metal objects such as a carpenter nail, >>> paper clip or iron filings. A magnet does not affect the position of wood >>> chips, charged dust particles or protons. The RF cavity is used to >>> accelerate the protons but the electric field of the RF cavity would >>> result in the protons to collided with the negative surface. It is >>> questionable what is the purposed of the 27 km circumference beam pipe >>> and superconducting magnets since the RF cavity is ostensibly >>> accelerating the protons not the 27 km circumference beam pipe and >>> magnets. It would have been much cheaper to build a series of RF cavities >>> facing each other and eliminating the extremely expensive 27 km >>> circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets. The two accelerated >>> proton beams propagate through the 27 km circumference beam pipe and are >>> combined within the Atlas particle physics detector which is used to form >>> the images of the two proton beam's collision that is used to justify the >>> existence of subatomic particles but the the detector is composed of >>> concentric metal cylinders around the interaction point where the proton >>> beams collision occurs but the concentric cylinders are composed of metal >>> (matter). The subatomic particles that are composed of matter cannot >>> propagate through the detector cylinders without producing a holes in the >>> metallic cylinders and destroying the detector. >>> >> >> It may be of interest you (maybe not) that your understanding of the >> history of particle physics is very limited to the point of being wholesale >> wrong. >> >> Muons, mesons, and non-nucleon baryons were initially discovered in cosmic >> ray experiments, most notably by using mountaintop and balloon detectors, >> and not particle accelerators. Secondly, the detectors used during that >> discovery phase were electroscopes, cloud chambers, spark chambers, and >> photo emulsions, not bubble chambers. The use of bubble chambers at >> particle accelerators only took off after the existence of a lot of those >> particles was already firmly established. >> >> A little knowledge is an abettor of foolishness. >> > > an excellent book is "Cosmic Rays" by Leprince-Ringuet, 1950 (orgionally > in french), they show highly advanced could chambers and how to > calculate what the particals are, many examples, excellent book. > Carlo Rossi’s book on Cosmic Rays from the 1960s is even better. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 19:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <S4ESC.215397$o43.84921@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #689547 |
On 6/8/2018 4:43 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: >> On 6/7/2018 12:39 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> <numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> The masses of the subatomic particles are measured using the curve paths >>>> of the liquid hydrogen bubble tracks within the bubble chamber that >>>> established particle physics. Initially, an accelerated proton beam is >>>> incident to an external metallic target that collision produces subatomic >>>> particles that propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble >>>> chamber and interact with the hydrogen atoms forming the hydrogen bubble >>>> tracks but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate >>>> through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a >>>> hole in the bubble chamber and causing an explosion of the liquid >>>> hydrogen. Rutherford's gold foil experiment is used to justify subatomic >>>> particles propagating through the bubble chamber but Rutherford's alpha >>>> particles cannot propagate through a quarter inch thick steel plate. >>>> Muons produced by the atmospheric decay of cosmic rays are also used to >>>> justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel enclosure of >>>> the bubble chamber but a muon is 200 times more massive than an electron. >>>> A 2000 W arc welder's electron beam can cut and weld steel. A high >>>> density of high energy muons propagating through the steel enclosure of >>>> the bubble chamber would result in the formation of a hole in the bubble >>>> chamber and a hydrogen explosion. The Soudan muon detector that is >>>> located at the bottom of a 1,800 meters deep mine shaft (Ayre, p. 2) is >>>> used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel >>>> enclosure of the bubble chamber but a muon that has a mass larger than an >>>> electron cannot propagate through more than 1,400 meters of bedrock. It >>>> is more likely that the Soudan muon detector is detecting radioactive >>>> isotopes that exist at the bottom of the former Soudan iron mine. The >>>> CERN Large Hadron Collider LHC (2017) describes a hadron (proton) beam >>>> that is accelerated using a beam pipe and superconducting magnets but a >>>> magnetic field does not accelerate protons. Using an analogy, a >>>> solenoid's magnetic force alters the position of the iron armature but >>>> solenoid's magnetic field does not affect the position of wood chips, >>>> charged dust particles or protons. The cyclotron is used to justify the >>>> acceleration of the hadron beam. The cyclotron accelerates protons and >>>> alpha particles where the cyclotron particles are accelerated using an >>>> electric potential between two halves of the cyclotron semi-circle metal >>>> apparatus but the cyclotron charged particles would be attracted to the >>>> charged semi-circle metallic apparatus preventing the acceleration of the >>>> protons or alpha particles. Using an analogy, an electron beam of an arc >>>> welder is formed when the electrons are propagating from towards a >>>> positive charged anode and collide with the positive charged surface yet >>>> the Lawence Livermore cyclotron depicts the particle beam with a blue >>>> colored light emission. The LHC experiment is based on hadron beams >>>> consisting of disassociated hydrogen gas molecules but the disassociation >>>> of hydrogen would result in an extremely unstable protons. Proton beam >>>> therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons >>>> that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron would destroy human >>>> skin, bone and tissue in the path of the proton beam similar to the >>>> affects of an arch welder. It is more likely that gamma rays are >>>> producing the effects of proton beam therapy. The LHC 27 km circumference >>>> beam pipe and superconducting magnets do not accelerate the proton beam >>>> since a magnetic field effects metal objects such as a carpenter nail, >>>> paper clip or iron filings. A magnet does not affect the position of wood >>>> chips, charged dust particles or protons. The RF cavity is used to >>>> accelerate the protons but the electric field of the RF cavity would >>>> result in the protons to collided with the negative surface. It is >>>> questionable what is the purposed of the 27 km circumference beam pipe >>>> and superconducting magnets since the RF cavity is ostensibly >>>> accelerating the protons not the 27 km circumference beam pipe and >>>> magnets. It would have been much cheaper to build a series of RF cavities >>>> facing each other and eliminating the extremely expensive 27 km >>>> circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets. The two accelerated >>>> proton beams propagate through the 27 km circumference beam pipe and are >>>> combined within the Atlas particle physics detector which is used to form >>>> the images of the two proton beam's collision that is used to justify the >>>> existence of subatomic particles but the the detector is composed of >>>> concentric metal cylinders around the interaction point where the proton >>>> beams collision occurs but the concentric cylinders are composed of metal >>>> (matter). The subatomic particles that are composed of matter cannot >>>> propagate through the detector cylinders without producing a holes in the >>>> metallic cylinders and destroying the detector. >>>> >>> >>> It may be of interest you (maybe not) that your understanding of the >>> history of particle physics is very limited to the point of being wholesale >>> wrong. >>> >>> Muons, mesons, and non-nucleon baryons were initially discovered in cosmic >>> ray experiments, most notably by using mountaintop and balloon detectors, >>> and not particle accelerators. Secondly, the detectors used during that >>> discovery phase were electroscopes, cloud chambers, spark chambers, and >>> photo emulsions, not bubble chambers. The use of bubble chambers at >>> particle accelerators only took off after the existence of a lot of those >>> particles was already firmly established. >>> >>> A little knowledge is an abettor of foolishness. >>> >> >> an excellent book is "Cosmic Rays" by Leprince-Ringuet, 1950 (orgionally >> in french), they show highly advanced could chambers and how to >> calculate what the particals are, many examples, excellent book. >> > > Carlo Rossi’s book on Cosmic Rays from the 1960s is even better. > Sergio, Don't you know that in today's world you ALWAYS have to have the "latest version"! That's why Bill is always inside your computer and why Newer books are ALWAYS better than older books! Doesn't matter what they say.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 18:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pff4ka$12kb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #689580 |
On 6/8/2018 6:13 PM, benj wrote:
> On 6/8/2018 4:43 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/7/2018 12:39 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> <numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> The masses of the subatomic particles are measured using the curve
>>>>> paths
>>>>> of the liquid hydrogen bubble tracks within the bubble chamber that
>>>>> established particle physics. Initially, an accelerated proton beam is
>>>>> incident to an external metallic target that collision produces
>>>>> subatomic
>>>>> particles that propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble
>>>>> chamber and interact with the hydrogen atoms forming the hydrogen
>>>>> bubble
>>>>> tracks but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate
>>>>> through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a
>>>>> hole in the bubble chamber and causing an explosion of the liquid
>>>>> hydrogen. Rutherford's gold foil experiment is used to justify
>>>>> subatomic
>>>>> particles propagating through the bubble chamber but Rutherford's
>>>>> alpha
>>>>> particles cannot propagate through a quarter inch thick steel plate.
>>>>> Muons produced by the atmospheric decay of cosmic rays are also
>>>>> used to
>>>>> justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel enclosure of
>>>>> the bubble chamber but a muon is 200 times more massive than an
>>>>> electron.
>>>>> A 2000 W arc welder's electron beam can cut and weld steel. A high
>>>>> density of high energy muons propagating through the steel
>>>>> enclosure of
>>>>> the bubble chamber would result in the formation of a hole in the
>>>>> bubble
>>>>> chamber and a hydrogen explosion. The Soudan muon detector that is
>>>>> located at the bottom of a 1,800 meters deep mine shaft (Ayre, p.
>>>>> 2) is
>>>>> used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel
>>>>> enclosure of the bubble chamber but a muon that has a mass larger
>>>>> than an
>>>>> electron cannot propagate through more than 1,400 meters of
>>>>> bedrock. It
>>>>> is more likely that the Soudan muon detector is detecting radioactive
>>>>> isotopes that exist at the bottom of the former Soudan iron mine. The
>>>>> CERN Large Hadron Collider LHC (2017) describes a hadron (proton) beam
>>>>> that is accelerated using a beam pipe and superconducting magnets
>>>>> but a
>>>>> magnetic field does not accelerate protons. Using an analogy, a
>>>>> solenoid's magnetic force alters the position of the iron armature but
>>>>> solenoid's magnetic field does not affect the position of wood chips,
>>>>> charged dust particles or protons. The cyclotron is used to justify
>>>>> the
>>>>> acceleration of the hadron beam. The cyclotron accelerates protons and
>>>>> alpha particles where the cyclotron particles are accelerated using an
>>>>> electric potential between two halves of the cyclotron semi-circle
>>>>> metal
>>>>> apparatus but the cyclotron charged particles would be attracted to
>>>>> the
>>>>> charged semi-circle metallic apparatus preventing the acceleration
>>>>> of the
>>>>> protons or alpha particles. Using an analogy, an electron beam of
>>>>> an arc
>>>>> welder is formed when the electrons are propagating from towards a
>>>>> positive charged anode and collide with the positive charged
>>>>> surface yet
>>>>> the Lawence Livermore cyclotron depicts the particle beam with a blue
>>>>> colored light emission. The LHC experiment is based on hadron beams
>>>>> consisting of disassociated hydrogen gas molecules but the
>>>>> disassociation
>>>>> of hydrogen would result in an extremely unstable protons. Proton beam
>>>>> therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons
>>>>> that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron would destroy
>>>>> human
>>>>> skin, bone and tissue in the path of the proton beam similar to the
>>>>> affects of an arch welder. It is more likely that gamma rays are
>>>>> producing the effects of proton beam therapy. The LHC 27 km
>>>>> circumference
>>>>> beam pipe and superconducting magnets do not accelerate the proton
>>>>> beam
>>>>> since a magnetic field effects metal objects such as a carpenter nail,
>>>>> paper clip or iron filings. A magnet does not affect the position
>>>>> of wood
>>>>> chips, charged dust particles or protons. The RF cavity is used to
>>>>> accelerate the protons but the electric field of the RF cavity would
>>>>> result in the protons to collided with the negative surface. It is
>>>>> questionable what is the purposed of the 27 km circumference beam pipe
>>>>> and superconducting magnets since the RF cavity is ostensibly
>>>>> accelerating the protons not the 27 km circumference beam pipe and
>>>>> magnets. It would have been much cheaper to build a series of RF
>>>>> cavities
>>>>> facing each other and eliminating the extremely expensive 27 km
>>>>> circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets. The two
>>>>> accelerated
>>>>> proton beams propagate through the 27 km circumference beam pipe
>>>>> and are
>>>>> combined within the Atlas particle physics detector which is used
>>>>> to form
>>>>> the images of the two proton beam's collision that is used to
>>>>> justify the
>>>>> existence of subatomic particles but the the detector is composed of
>>>>> concentric metal cylinders around the interaction point where the
>>>>> proton
>>>>> beams collision occurs but the concentric cylinders are composed of
>>>>> metal
>>>>> (matter). The subatomic particles that are composed of matter cannot
>>>>> propagate through the detector cylinders without producing a holes
>>>>> in the
>>>>> metallic cylinders and destroying the detector.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It may be of interest you (maybe not) that your understanding of the
>>>> history of particle physics is very limited to the point of being
>>>> wholesale
>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Muons, mesons, and non-nucleon baryons were initially discovered in
>>>> cosmic
>>>> ray experiments, most notably by using mountaintop and balloon
>>>> detectors,
>>>> and not particle accelerators. Secondly, the detectors used during that
>>>> discovery phase were electroscopes, cloud chambers, spark chambers, and
>>>> photo emulsions, not bubble chambers. The use of bubble chambers at
>>>> particle accelerators only took off after the existence of a lot of
>>>> those
>>>> particles was already firmly established.
>>>>
>>>> A little knowledge is an abettor of foolishness.
>>>>
>>>
>>> an excellent book is "Cosmic Rays" by Leprince-Ringuet, 1950 (orgionally
>>> in french), they show highly advanced could chambers and how to
>>> calculate what the particals are, many examples, excellent book.
>>>
>>
>> Carlo Rossi’s book on Cosmic Rays from the 1960s is even better.
>>
> Sergio, Don't you know that in today's world you ALWAYS have to have the
> "latest version"! That's why Bill is always inside your computer and why
> Newer books are ALWAYS better than older books! Doesn't matter what they
> say.
like science text books, the material hasn't changed in 60 years, but
every year a new book comes out, $230 each. Even 90% of the chapter quiz
questions are the same. And the books loose their sharpness over the
years, become fuzzy muddled as the editors don't know much about the
subject.
Anyhow that 1960 book above is Free!
https://ia802702.us.archive.org/35/items/CosmicRays_281/Rossi-CosmicRays.pdf
Quiz at 8AM tomorrow.
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| From | numbernumber1964@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 12:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f697c8b5-143c-4f38-882b-21b510931e47@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #689319 |
It may be of interest you (maybe not) that your understanding of the history of particle physics is very limited to the point of being wholesale wrong. ________________________________________ Is the bubble chamber used to determine the mass of the subatomic particles?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 20:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pfc545$3k1$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #689345 |
<numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote: > It may be of interest you (maybe not) that your understanding of the > history of particle physics is very limited to the point of being wholesale > wrong. > > ________________________________________ > > > Is the bubble chamber used to determine the mass of the subatomic particles? > > No, not at the time of their discovery. And today the bubble chamber is not used for determining the masses of particles either. Note that a simple mass spectrometer can measure particle masses for any long-lived particles. Short-lived particle masses are measured by daughter product momentum measurements. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-06-07 22:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <399b0608-903b-6dc4-9667-c12279a9d8ad@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #689345 |
numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote: > Is the bubble chamber used to determine the mass of the subatomic particles? No. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | numbernumber1964@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 12:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4dbdfdce-c1f7-4d31-bd95-a782ea0bc22f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #689319 |
On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:13:43 AM UTC-7, numbernu...@gmail.com wrote: > The masses of the subatomic particles are measured using the curve paths of the liquid hydrogen bubble tracks within the bubble chamber that established particle physics. Initially, an accelerated proton beam is incident to an external metallic target that collision produces subatomic particles that propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber and interact with the hydrogen atoms forming the hydrogen bubble tracks but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a hole in the bubble chamber and causing an explosion of the liquid hydrogen. Rutherford's gold foil experiment is used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the bubble chamber but Rutherford's alpha particles cannot propagate through a quarter inch thick steel plate. Muons produced by the atmospheric decay of cosmic rays are also used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber but a muon is 200 times more massive than an electron. A 2000 W arc welder's electron beam can cut and weld steel. A high density of high energy muons propagating through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber would result in the formation of a hole in the bubble chamber and a hydrogen explosion. The Soudan muon detector that is located at the bottom of a 1,800 meters deep mine shaft (Ayre, p. 2) is used to justify subatomic particles propagating through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber but a muon that has a mass larger than an electron cannot propagate through more than 1,400 meters of bedrock. It is more likely that the Soudan muon detector is detecting radioactive isotopes that exist at the bottom of the former Soudan iron mine. The CERN Large Hadron Collider LHC (2017) describes a hadron (proton) beam that is accelerated using a beam pipe and superconducting magnets but a magnetic field does not accelerate protons. Using an analogy, a solenoid's magnetic force alters the position of the iron armature but solenoid's magnetic field does not affect the position of wood chips, charged dust particles or protons. The cyclotron is used to justify the acceleration of the hadron beam. The cyclotron accelerates protons and alpha particles where the cyclotron particles are accelerated using an electric potential between two halves of the cyclotron semi-circle metal apparatus but the cyclotron charged particles would be attracted to the charged semi-circle metallic apparatus preventing the acceleration of the protons or alpha particles. Using an analogy, an electron beam of an arc welder is formed when the electrons are propagating from towards a positive charged anode and collide with the positive charged surface yet the Lawence Livermore cyclotron depicts the particle beam with a blue colored light emission. The LHC experiment is based on hadron beams consisting of disassociated hydrogen gas molecules but the disassociation of hydrogen would result in an extremely unstable protons. Proton beam therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron would destroy human skin, bone and tissue in the path of the proton beam similar to the affects of an arch welder. It is more likely that gamma rays are producing the effects of proton beam therapy. The LHC 27 km circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets do not accelerate the proton beam since a magnetic field effects metal objects such as a carpenter nail, paper clip or iron filings. A magnet does not affect the position of wood chips, charged dust particles or protons. The RF cavity is used to accelerate the protons but the electric field of the RF cavity would result in the protons to collided with the negative surface. It is questionable what is the purposed of the 27 km circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets since the RF cavity is ostensibly accelerating the protons not the 27 km circumference beam pipe and magnets. It would have been much cheaper to build a series of RF cavities facing each other and eliminating the extremely expensive 27 km circumference beam pipe and superconducting magnets. The two accelerated proton beams propagate through the 27 km circumference beam pipe and are combined within the Atlas particle physics detector which is used to form the images of the two proton beam's collision that is used to justify the existence of subatomic particles but the the detector is composed of concentric metal cylinders around the interaction point where the proton beams collision occurs but the concentric cylinders are composed of metal (matter). The subatomic particles that are composed of matter cannot propagate through the detector cylinders without producing a holes in the metallic cylinders and destroying the detector.
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| From | numbernumber1964@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 12:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4b4526c2-bf7f-4a56-9060-99181bc58020@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #689319 |
It may be of interest you (maybe not) that your understanding of the history of particle physics is very limited to the point of being wholesale wrong. ___________________________________________________ How do the subatomic particle propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 23:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5cc81c13-b5cb-a002-9125-38b5e5a6ae58@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #689353 |
numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote: > How do the subatomic particle propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber. See my previous answer. However, it is only your crazy idea, out of your ignorance, that the particles would need to propagate through the steel. Five seconds of searching the Web would have told you that and how you are wrong. But crackpots never do; their MO is, instead of substantiating their claims with argument and references as any scientist would do, to wait for other people to waste their precious time trying to disprove the crackpot’s claim – then, hopelessly overestimating their own abilities, they consider their outlandish claims validated if nobody bothers to try anymore; which is, of course, a classical fallacy. Unfortunately for us, as scientists and people who are interested in science, different from crackpots we are committed to scientific truth, and therefore cannot indefinitely afford to let seemingly valid nonsense stand uncorrected. But, even if it is hard, we should strive to limit our refutations to the absolute minimum as crackpots seek nothing more than *attention* (rather than clarity). As if having an idea would be enough for this idea to be heard. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crackpot_theory> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect> -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 21:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pfc961$a65$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #689376 |
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote: > numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote: >> How do the subatomic particle propagate through the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber. > > See my previous answer. > And to elaborate, let’s consider a few things: 1. X-rays, gamma rays, neutrons, and protons are routinely used for examining the insides of humans and the beam does not burn holes in their bodies on the way in. All it takes sometimes is an everyday reality check to put aside something one might think is plausible. 2. The particles studied in bubble chambers are the same complement that are found in cosmic rays, and cosmic rays routinely rain down on the surface of the earth, penetrating buildings and people all the time. Notice that cosmic rays do not obliterate surface structures or set them on fire. 3. The particles studied in bubble chambers are usually ones created INSIDE the chamber, from collisions between other incoming particles and the liquid in the chamber itself. Thus the studied particles do not have to penetrate bubble chamber walls at all. 4. The beam window for a bubble chamber is deliberately thinned, relative to the rest of the structure. This is done to minimize the chances that an incoming particle will interact at all with the window. Most particles pass right by the atoms in the window with virtually zero energy deposit in the window. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 04:16 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7531e857-c374-96e1-606c-a4406e07d069@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #689380 |
Odd Bodkin wrote:
> 1. X-rays, gamma rays, neutrons, and protons are routinely used for
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> examining the insides of humans […]
Wrong.
> 2. The particles studied in bubble chambers are the same complement that
> are found in cosmic rays, and cosmic rays routinely rain down on the
> surface of the earth, penetrating buildings and people all the time. […]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wrong.
> 4. The beam window for a bubble chamber is deliberately thinned, relative
> to the rest of the structure. This is done to minimize the chances that an
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> incoming particle will interact at all with the window. Most particles pass
> right by the atoms in the window with virtually zero energy deposit in the
> window.
Nonsense.
Apparently your *fantasies* about bubble chambers are just *different*.
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 22:38 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <410eeec1-0f01-5fc9-991e-1e249447af6d@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #689319 |
numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote: > […] collision produces subatomic particles that propagate through > the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber […] Your other (refuted) nonsense aside: That is simply _not_ how a bubble chamber works. > […] but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate through > the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a hole in the > bubble chamber Ex falso sequitur quodlibet – from false, anything follows. In this case, from false follows false: Subatomic particles actually *can* propagate through metal enclosures (and certainly through steel, i.e. an iron–carbon alloy) because metals have a crystal structure consisting of metal atoms; there is a lot of free space between the atoms, and atoms themselves are mostly empty (a common comparison in German is that if the atom had the size of the Olympiastadium in Munich, the size of the nucleus would equal that of a rice corn sitting in the kick-off point). <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_structure> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympiastadion_(Munich)> That *observed* possibility lead to Rutherford’s 1899(!) classification of radiation in α-particles (later discovered to be helium nuclei), β-particles (later discovered to be electrons and positrons), and γ-particles (later discovered to be high-energy photons), where each class of particles would permeate matter easier/deeper than the previous one. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_particle#History> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray#History_of_discovery> You should read about a topic before you write about it: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_chamber> -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 15:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pfenn9$ebj$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #689367 |
On 6/7/2018 3:38 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote: >> […] collision produces subatomic particles that propagate through >> the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber […] > > Your other (refuted) nonsense aside: That is simply _not_ how a bubble > chamber works. > >> […] but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate through >> the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a hole in the >> bubble chamber > > Ex falso sequitur quodlibet – from false, anything follows. > > In this case, from false follows false: Subatomic particles actually *can* > propagate through metal enclosures (and certainly through steel, i.e. an > iron–carbon alloy) because metals have a crystal structure consisting of > metal atoms; there is a lot of free space between the atoms, and atoms > themselves are mostly empty (a common comparison in German is that if the > atom had the size of the Olympiastadium in Munich, the size of the nucleus > would equal that of a rice corn sitting in the kick-off point). > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_structure> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympiastadion_(Munich)> > > That *observed* possibility lead to Rutherford’s 1899(!) classification of > radiation in α-particles (later discovered to be helium nuclei), β-particles > (later discovered to be electrons and positrons), and γ-particles (later > discovered to be high-energy photons), where each class of particles would > permeate matter easier/deeper than the previous one. > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_particle#History> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray#History_of_discovery> > > You should read about a topic before you write about it: > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_chamber> > an excellent book is "Cosmic Rays" by Leprince-Ringuet, 1950 (orgionally in french), they show highly advanced could chambers and how to calculate what the particals are, many examples, lots of photos, an excellent book.
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| From | furthermore7990662@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 09:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4862cc86-83a8-484f-aa9f-f6e9e69ba50c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #689319 |
In this case, from false follows false: Subatomic particles actually *can* propagate through metal enclosures (and certainly through steel, i.e. an iron–carbon alloy) because metals have a crystal structure consisting of metal atoms; there is a lot of fr.... _________________________________________________ Are electrons subatomic particles?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 17:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pfefhi$bs$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #689489 |
<furthermore7990662@gmail.com> wrote: > > In this case, from false follows false: Subatomic particles actually *can* > propagate through metal enclosures (and certainly through steel, i.e. an > iron–carbon alloy) because metals have a crystal structure consisting of > metal atoms; there is a lot of fr.... > > _________________________________________________ > > > Are electrons subatomic particles? > Yes -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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