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Re: Particle physics 2

From Sergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Particle physics 2
Date 2018-06-08 15:07 -0500
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On 6/7/2018 3:38 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote:
>> […] collision produces subatomic particles that propagate through
>> the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber […]
> 
> Your other (refuted) nonsense aside: That is simply _not_ how a bubble
> chamber works.
> 
>> […] but the subatomic particles that have a mass cannot propagate through
>> the steel enclosure of the bubble chamber without producing a hole in the
>> bubble chamber
> 
> Ex falso sequitur quodlibet – from false, anything follows.
> 
> In this case, from false follows false: Subatomic particles actually *can*
> propagate through metal enclosures (and certainly through steel, i.e. an
> iron–carbon alloy) because metals have a crystal structure consisting of
> metal atoms; there is a lot of free space between the atoms, and atoms
> themselves are mostly empty (a common comparison in German is that if the
> atom had the size of the Olympiastadium in Munich, the size of the nucleus
> would equal that of a rice corn sitting in the kick-off point).
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_structure>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympiastadion_(Munich)>
> 
> That *observed* possibility lead to Rutherford’s 1899(!) classification of
> radiation in α-particles (later discovered to be helium nuclei), β-particles
> (later discovered to be electrons and positrons), and γ-particles (later
> discovered to be high-energy photons), where each class of particles would
> permeate matter easier/deeper than the previous one.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_particle#History>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray#History_of_discovery>
> 
> You should read about a topic before you write about it:
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_chamber>
> 

an excellent book is "Cosmic Rays" by Leprince-Ringuet, 1950 (orgionally
in french), they show highly advanced could chambers and how to
calculate what the particals are, many examples, lots of photos, an
excellent book.

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