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New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated

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  New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 15:20 -0600
    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-23 22:13 +0000
      Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the worldâ?Ts coasts by the end of the centuryâ?"sooner than previously anticipated "Ringer" <byoung@peoplestel.net> - 2015-07-23 17:48 -0500
        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world??Ts coasts by the end of the century??"sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-24 00:27 +0000
        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the worldâ?Ts coasts by the end of the centuryâ?"sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 00:15 -0400
    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Simeom <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-23 17:18 -0500
      Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated "Ringer" <byoung@peoplestel.net> - 2015-07-23 17:48 -0500
        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Simeom <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-23 18:26 -0500
        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 16:34 -0700
          Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 18:41 -0600
            Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 17:57 -0700
              Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 19:00 -0600
                Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 18:14 -0700
                  Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 19:22 -0600
                    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Simeom <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-23 20:40 -0500
                    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-24 01:44 +0000
                    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 19:06 -0700
                      Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 20:18 -0600
                        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 19:22 -0700
                          Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-23 23:23 -0500
                            Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-25 09:54 -0500
                              Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-07-25 11:03 -0400
                                Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-25 11:32 -0500
                                  Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-25 10:00 -0700
                                    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-25 12:44 -0500
                                      Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 10:54 -0700
                                        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 14:28 -0400
                                      Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-25 11:07 -0700
                                        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 12:19 -0500
                                          Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 10:38 -0700
                                            Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 13:09 -0500
                                              Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-07-26 14:27 -0400
                                              Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 12:03 -0700
                                                Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 14:36 -0500
                                                  Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 13:38 -0700
                                                    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 17:32 -0500
                                                      Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 15:41 -0700
                                                        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 18:37 -0500
                                                          Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-26 18:39 -0700
                                                            Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 21:11 -0500
                                                              Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-27 08:57 -0700
                                                                Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-27 17:53 -0500
                                                  Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-26 21:57 +0000
                                                    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-27 00:17 +0000
                                              Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-26 21:44 +0000
                                      Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Paul Aubrin <chu8i443@free.fr> - 2015-07-25 19:27 +0000
                                        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 12:29 -0500
                                          Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Paul Aubrin <chu8i443@free.fr> - 2015-07-26 18:40 +0000
                                            Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Unum <noneof@yourbusiness.com> - 2015-07-26 14:24 -0500
                                              Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Desertphile <Desertphile@nospam.org> - 2015-07-29 07:53 -0600
                                                Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 11:07 -0400
                                                  Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 13:15 -0400
                                                new noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 21:00 -0700
                                            Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world¢s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Desertphile <Desertphile@nospam.org> - 2015-07-29 13:33 -0600
                                              Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-29 19:48 +0000
                                      Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world?s coasts by the end of the century?sooner than previously anticipated R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-07-25 21:04 +0000
                              Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Paul Aubrin <chu8i443@free.fr> - 2015-07-25 18:34 +0000
                            Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century---sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 16:04 -0400
                        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-24 03:18 +0000
            Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-24 00:51 +0000
          Re: Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Nobody <not@home.anymore> - 2015-07-24 01:49 +0000
        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 00:18 -0400
          Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 07:32 -0400
    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Chom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm> - 2015-07-23 16:14 -0700
    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-07-24 21:23 -0700
    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-25 06:45 +0000
      Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 10:45 -0600
        Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-07-25 16:57 +0000
          Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 20:56 -0700
    Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-07-25 13:08 -0700

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#509357

FromUnum <noneof@yourbusiness.com>
Date2015-07-25 09:54 -0500
Message-ID<mp07su$4t4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509115
On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>
>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics', where the
>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper has a
>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and when
>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions, etc.
>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris 2015.  Oh
>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a pre-publication
>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>
>>>>     Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>     scientifically correct?
>>
>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>
>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will attack
>> Trenberth.
>
> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine ideas,
> not the person.

Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.

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#509358 — Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2015-07-25 11:03 -0400
SubjectRe: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated
Message-ID<9797radnucsunv9vsb6d1ip4uq9bl6qasg@4ax.com>
In reply to#509357
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:

>On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics', where the
>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper has a
>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and when
>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions, etc.
>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris 2015.  Oh
>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a pre-publication
>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>     scientifically correct?
>>>
>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>
>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will attack
>>> Trenberth.
>>
>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine ideas,
>> not the person.
>
>Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.

Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?

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#509363

FromUnum <noneof@yourbusiness.com>
Date2015-07-25 11:32 -0500
Message-ID<mp0dkv$pij$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509358
On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics', where the
>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper has a
>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and when
>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions, etc.
>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a pre-publication
>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>
>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>
>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will attack
>>>> Trenberth.
>>>
>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine ideas,
>>> not the person.
>>
>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>
> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?

Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?

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#509374

FromChom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm>
Date2015-07-25 10:00 -0700
Message-ID<mp0f96$umt$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509363
On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics', where the
>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper has a
>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions, etc.
>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a pre-publication
>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>
>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
>>>>> attack
>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>
>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine ideas,
>>>> not the person.
>>>
>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>>
>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>
> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?

In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- which 
has shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will 
somehow, at some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 
years,  Redraw the exponential curve in your head as many times as 
necessary in order to acheive suspension of disbelief.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large

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#509393

FromUnum <noneof@yourbusiness.com>
Date2015-07-25 12:44 -0500
Message-ID<mp0hrf$9v3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509374
On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics', where the
>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper has a
>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions, etc.
>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a pre-publication
>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
>>>>>> attack
>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine ideas,
>>>>> not the person.
>>>>
>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>>>
>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>
>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>
> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- which has
> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will somehow, at
> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,  Redraw
> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in order to
> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large

Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.

Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
that wasn't scientifically correct".

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#509401 — Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-25 10:54 -0700
SubjectRe: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated
Message-ID<72d0e47b-a670-4936-98d7-84517d9c7960@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#509393
On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 10:44:46 AM UTC-7, Unum wrote:
> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> > On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
> >> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics', where the
> >>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper has a
> >>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and
> >>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions, etc.
> >>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris 2015.  Oh
> >>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a pre-publication
> >>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
> >>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
> >>>>>> attack
> >>>>>> Trenberth.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine ideas,
> >>>>> not the person.
> >>>>
> >>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
> >>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
> >>>
> >>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
> >>
> >> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
> >> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
> >
> > In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- which has
> > shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will somehow, at
> > some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,  Redraw
> > the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in order to
> > acheive suspension of disbelief.
> >
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
> 
> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
> 
> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
> that wasn't scientifically correct".

My latest boat can hold 6 people,and is impossible to sink.Fast to build,and for little money.Every house could use one.Its fun and a "LIFE SAVER" When it makes full page in the papers I will post it. Will give the boat plan to "Sea Scouts" Bert

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#509408 — Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-25 14:28 -0400
SubjectRe: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world's coasts by the end of the century--sooner than previously anticipated
Message-ID<mp0kcn$kkv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509401
On 7/25/2015 1:54 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
>
> My latest boat can hold 6

Cans of beer

 > and is impossible to sink.


Bet *I* could sink it


 > Fast to build


But not fast enough for you to take the trip to 'save the children'


 > and for little money.Every house could use one.


Why?


 > Its fun


Oh ya.... I'm having a blast


 > and a "LIFE SAVER"


But you wanted more money so you didn't use it to save the lives of 
children...The CHILDREN Bert! How could you choose money over them?


 > When it makes full page in the papers I will post it.
> Will give the boat plan to "Sea Scouts" Bert


Good. They can use them for toilet paper



-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#509404

FromChom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm>
Date2015-07-25 11:07 -0700
Message-ID<mp0j6k$29l$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509393
On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper
>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine
>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>>>>
>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>
>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>
>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- which
>> has
>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will
>> somehow, at
>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,
>> Redraw
>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in order to
>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>
>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>
> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.

WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as sciency 
language, lil buddy?

> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
> that wasn't scientifically correct".

First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it should 
mean that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute. 
Hansen has been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one 
or more of his claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually 
no such thing as "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and 
claims which have yet to be contradicted.

I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what 
standard of evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of 
"scientifically correct".

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#509631

FromUnum <noneof@yourbusiness.com>
Date2015-07-26 12:19 -0500
Message-ID<mp34oi$4fb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509404
On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper
>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine
>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>
>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>
>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- which
>>> has
>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will
>>> somehow, at
>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,
>>> Redraw
>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in order to
>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>
>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>
>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>
> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as sciency
> language, lil buddy?

You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!

>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>> that wasn't scientifically correct".

Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
and clear meaning.

> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it should mean
> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute. Hansen has
> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or more of his
> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such thing as
> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which have yet
> to be contradicted.

It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
aren't citing any of it.

> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what standard of
> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of "scientifically
> correct".

If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.

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#509635

FromChom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm>
Date2015-07-26 10:38 -0700
Message-ID<mp35s4$4ep$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509631
On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper
>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and
>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine
>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>
>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- which
>>>> has
>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will
>>>> somehow, at
>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,
>>>> Redraw
>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in
>>>> order to
>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>
>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>
>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>
>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as sciency
>> language, lil buddy?
>
> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>
>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>
> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
> and clear meaning.

Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer 
unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating 
fruitcakes and weasels.

>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>> should mean
>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>> Hansen has
>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or more of
>> his
>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such thing as
>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which
>> have yet
>> to be contradicted.
>
> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
> aren't citing any of it.

Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!

>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>> standard of
>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>> "scientifically
>> correct".
>
> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.

A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no 
errors" or "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a 
future prediction involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has 
no errors"?

Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are 
perfectly in character...


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#509655

FromUnum <noneof@yourbusiness.com>
Date2015-07-26 13:09 -0500
Message-ID<mp37mj$fl2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509635
On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine
>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- which
>>>>> has
>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will
>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,
>>>>> Redraw
>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in
>>>>> order to
>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>
>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>
>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as sciency
>>> language, lil buddy?
>>
>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>
>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>
>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>> and clear meaning.
>
> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating fruitcakes
> and weasels.
>
>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>> should mean
>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>> Hansen has
>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or more of
>>> his
>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such thing as
>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which
>>> have yet
>>> to be contradicted.
>>
>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>> aren't citing any of it.
>
> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!

All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
by me!

>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>> standard of
>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>> "scientifically
>>> correct".
>>
>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>
> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no errors" or
> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future prediction
> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?

So that's your personal bogus interpretation? We'll just say it
means "conforming with the principles of science".

> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are perfectly in
> character...

When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
pretty quick, don't you.

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#509670 — Re: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2015-07-26 14:27 -0400
SubjectRe: New research suggests rising oceans could swamp the world’s coasts by the end of the century—sooner than previously anticipated
Message-ID<6h9araphr8sj1hfh27ll1qjvbrkma8imiv@4ax.com>
In reply to#509655
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 13:09:47 -0500, Unum wrote:

>On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication, if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine
>>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR -- which
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will
>>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,
>>>>>> Redraw
>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in
>>>>>> order to
>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>>
>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>>
>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as sciency
>>>> language, lil buddy?
>>>
>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>>
>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>>> and clear meaning.
>>
>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating fruitcakes
>> and weasels.
>>
>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>>> should mean
>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>>> Hansen has
>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or more of
>>>> his
>>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such thing as
>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which
>>>> have yet
>>>> to be contradicted.
>>>
>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>>> aren't citing any of it.
>>
>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!
>
>All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
>by me!

Who cares whether it is fine by you?

>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>>> standard of
>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>>> "scientifically
>>>> correct".
>>>
>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>>
>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no errors" or
>> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future prediction
>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?
>
>So that's your personal bogus interpretation? 

Nice declaration of 'bogus' without rationale.

>We'll just say it
>means "conforming with the principles of science".

Who is "we?"


>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are perfectly in
>> character...
>
>When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
>pretty quick, don't you.

Lack of refutation noted.

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#509678

FromChom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm>
Date2015-07-26 12:03 -0700
Message-ID<mp3arr$4ep$13@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509655
On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote:
> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine
>>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR --
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will
>>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,
>>>>>> Redraw
>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in
>>>>>> order to
>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>>
>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>>
>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as sciency
>>>> language, lil buddy?
>>>
>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>>
>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>>> and clear meaning.
>>
>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating
>> fruitcakes
>> and weasels.
>>
>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>>> should mean
>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>>> Hansen has
>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or more of
>>>> his
>>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such
>>>> thing as
>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which
>>>> have yet
>>>> to be contradicted.
>>>
>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>>> aren't citing any of it.
>>
>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!
>
> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
> by me!

Keep looking.

>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>>> standard of
>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>>> "scientifically
>>>> correct".
>>>
>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>>
>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no
>> errors" or
>> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future prediction
>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?
>
> So that's your personal bogus interpretation?

Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in 
adjective form.

"conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate"

We'll just say it
> means "conforming with the principles of science".

So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming to 
fact or truth, free from error, and accurate?

>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are
>> perfectly in
>> character...
>
> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
> pretty quick, don't you.

Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever.

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#509689

FromUnum <noneof@yourbusiness.com>
Date2015-07-26 14:36 -0500
Message-ID<mp3coi$4gs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509678
On 7/26/2015 2:03 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote:
>> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky will
>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to examine
>>>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of days.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't
>>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR --
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will
>>>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,
>>>>>>> Redraw
>>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in
>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as sciency
>>>>> language, lil buddy?
>>>>
>>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>>>
>>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>>>> and clear meaning.
>>>
>>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
>>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating
>>> fruitcakes
>>> and weasels.
>>>
>>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>>>> should mean
>>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>>>> Hansen has
>>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or more of
>>>>> his
>>>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such
>>>>> thing as
>>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which
>>>>> have yet
>>>>> to be contradicted.
>>>>
>>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>>>> aren't citing any of it.
>>>
>>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!
>>
>> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
>> by me!
>
> Keep looking.

Will I see something that isn't there?

>>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>>>> standard of
>>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>>>> "scientifically
>>>>> correct".
>>>>
>>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>>>
>>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no
>>> errors" or
>>> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future prediction
>>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?
>>
>> So that's your personal bogus interpretation?
>
> Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in adjective form.
>
> "conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate"

I can understand why you would be so desperate to interpret the
phrase as something impossible to achieve. I'll stick with my perfectly
reasonable definition below.

> We'll just say it
>> means "conforming with the principles of science".
>
> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming to fact
> or truth, free from error, and accurate?

Its simply in conformance with observed empirical evidence such as
accelerating melting of land ice as has been posted here many times.

>>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are
>>> perfectly in
>>> character...
>>
>> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
>> pretty quick, don't you.
>
> Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever.

We'll just note that you did in fact resort to personal attack.

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#509706

FromChom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm>
Date2015-07-26 13:38 -0700
Message-ID<mp3gdj$4ep$18@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509689
On 7/26/2015 12:36 PM, Unum wrote:
> On 7/26/2015 2:03 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>> On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to
>>>>>>>>>>>> examine
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of
>>>>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR --
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will
>>>>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,
>>>>>>>> Redraw
>>>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in
>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as
>>>>>> sciency
>>>>>> language, lil buddy?
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>>>>> and clear meaning.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
>>>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating
>>>> fruitcakes
>>>> and weasels.
>>>>
>>>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>>>>> should mean
>>>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>>>>> Hansen has
>>>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or
>>>>>> more of
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such
>>>>>> thing as
>>>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which
>>>>>> have yet
>>>>>> to be contradicted.
>>>>>
>>>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>>>>> aren't citing any of it.
>>>>
>>>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!
>>>
>>> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
>>> by me!
>>
>> Keep looking.
>
> Will I see something that isn't there?
>
>>>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>>>>> standard of
>>>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>>>>> "scientifically
>>>>>> correct".
>>>>>
>>>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>>>>
>>>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no
>>>> errors" or
>>>> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future
>>>> prediction
>>>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?
>>>
>>> So that's your personal bogus interpretation?
>>
>> Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in
>> adjective form.
>>
>> "conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate"
>
> I can understand why you would be so desperate to interpret the
> phrase as something impossible to achieve. I'll stick with my perfectly
> reasonable definition below.

And I'll stick to pointing out the unsciency foolishness of yer definition.

>> We'll just say it
>>> means "conforming with the principles of science".
>>
>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming
>> to fact
>> or truth, free from error, and accurate?
>
> Its simply in conformance with observed empirical evidence such as
> accelerating melting of land ice as has been posted here many times.

So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?

>>>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are
>>>> perfectly in
>>>> character...
>>>
>>> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
>>> pretty quick, don't you.
>>
>> Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever.
>
> We'll just note that you did in fact resort to personal attack.

The whore Unum takes one ettiquette class and suddenly she becomes 
self-righteous about courtesy and manners!  Considering yer extensive 
history of Tourette syndrome, ironic doesn't begin to cover it.  Have 
you been taking Tourette suppressants, or something?

And what's with the use of majestic plurals, did your ettiquette class 
elevate your caste to royalty?

And not just

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#509736

FromUnum <noneof@yourbusiness.com>
Date2015-07-26 17:32 -0500
Message-ID<mp3n2g$9s1$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509706
On 7/26/2015 3:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> On 7/26/2015 12:36 PM, Unum wrote:
>> On 7/26/2015 2:03 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> examine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR --
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum -- will
>>>>>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85 years,
>>>>>>>>> Redraw
>>>>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in
>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as
>>>>>>> sciency
>>>>>>> language, lil buddy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>>>>>> and clear meaning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
>>>>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating
>>>>> fruitcakes
>>>>> and weasels.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>>>>>> should mean
>>>>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>>>>>> Hansen has
>>>>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or
>>>>>>> more of
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such
>>>>>>> thing as
>>>>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which
>>>>>>> have yet
>>>>>>> to be contradicted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>>>>>> aren't citing any of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!
>>>>
>>>> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
>>>> by me!
>>>
>>> Keep looking.
>>
>> Will I see something that isn't there?
>>
>>>>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>>>>>> standard of
>>>>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>>>>>> "scientifically
>>>>>>> correct".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>>>>>
>>>>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no
>>>>> errors" or
>>>>> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future
>>>>> prediction
>>>>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?
>>>>
>>>> So that's your personal bogus interpretation?
>>>
>>> Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in
>>> adjective form.
>>>
>>> "conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate"
>>
>> I can understand why you would be so desperate to interpret the
>> phrase as something impossible to achieve. I'll stick with my perfectly
>> reasonable definition below.
>
> And I'll stick to pointing out the unsciency foolishness of yer definition.

You begged me on your knees for a clarification and I explained it to
you. Meanwhile land ice melting has accelerated, hasn't it.

"On average, some 310 cubic kilometres of ice was lost from the ice
shelves each year during this time, and the rate of loss is increasing
rapidly."

>>> We'll just say it
>>>> means "conforming with the principles of science".
>>>
>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming
>>> to fact
>>> or truth, free from error, and accurate?
>>
>> Its simply in conformance with observed empirical evidence such as
>> accelerating melting of land ice as has been posted here many times.
>
> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?
>
>>>>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are
>>>>> perfectly in
>>>>> character...
>>>>
>>>> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
>>>> pretty quick, don't you.
>>>
>>> Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever.
>>
>> We'll just note that you did in fact resort to personal attack.
>
> The whore Unum takes one ettiquette class and suddenly she becomes
> self-righteous about courtesy and manners!  Considering yer extensive history
> of Tourette syndrome, ironic doesn't begin to cover it.  Have you been taking
> Tourette suppressants, or something?

Getting a little excited?

> And what's with the use of majestic plurals, did your ettiquette class elevate
> your caste to royalty?
>
> And not just

Click send a little too soon?

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#509738

FromChom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm>
Date2015-07-26 15:41 -0700
Message-ID<mp3njh$uhb$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509736
On 7/26/2015 3:32 PM, Unum wrote:
> On 7/26/2015 3:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>> On 7/26/2015 12:36 PM, Unum wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2015 2:03 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR --
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum --
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85
>>>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>>>> Redraw
>>>>>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in
>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>>>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as
>>>>>>>> sciency
>>>>>>>> language, lil buddy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>>>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>>>>>>> and clear meaning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
>>>>>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating
>>>>>> fruitcakes
>>>>>> and weasels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>>>>>>> should mean
>>>>>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>>>>>>> Hansen has
>>>>>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or
>>>>>>>> more of
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such
>>>>>>>> thing as
>>>>>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which
>>>>>>>> have yet
>>>>>>>> to be contradicted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>>>>>>> aren't citing any of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!
>>>>>
>>>>> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
>>>>> by me!
>>>>
>>>> Keep looking.
>>>
>>> Will I see something that isn't there?
>>>
>>>>>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>>>>>>> standard of
>>>>>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>>>>>>> "scientifically
>>>>>>>> correct".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no
>>>>>> errors" or
>>>>>> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future
>>>>>> prediction
>>>>>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?
>>>>>
>>>>> So that's your personal bogus interpretation?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in
>>>> adjective form.
>>>>
>>>> "conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate"
>>>
>>> I can understand why you would be so desperate to interpret the
>>> phrase as something impossible to achieve. I'll stick with my perfectly
>>> reasonable definition below.
>>
>> And I'll stick to pointing out the unsciency foolishness of yer
>> definition.
>
> You begged me on your knees for a clarification and I explained it to
> you. Meanwhile land ice melting has accelerated, hasn't it.
>
> "On average, some 310 cubic kilometres of ice was lost from the ice
> shelves each year during this time, and the rate of loss is increasing
> rapidly."

Keywest Florida didn't get the message:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large

>
>>>> We'll just say it
>>>>> means "conforming with the principles of science".
>>>>
>>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming
>>>> to fact
>>>> or truth, free from error, and accurate?
>>>
>>> Its simply in conformance with observed empirical evidence such as
>>> accelerating melting of land ice as has been posted here many times.
>>
>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?
>>
>>>>>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are
>>>>>> perfectly in
>>>>>> character...
>>>>>
>>>>> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
>>>>> pretty quick, don't you.
>>>>
>>>> Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever.
>>>
>>> We'll just note that you did in fact resort to personal attack.
>>
>> The whore Unum takes one ettiquette class and suddenly she becomes
>> self-righteous about courtesy and manners!  Considering yer extensive
>> history
>> of Tourette syndrome, ironic doesn't begin to cover it.  Have you been
>> taking
>> Tourette suppressants, or something?
>
> Getting a little excited?
>
>> And what's with the use of majestic plurals, did your ettiquette class
>> elevate
>> your caste to royalty?
>>
>> And not just
>
> Click send a little too soon?

So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?

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#509756

FromUnum <noneof@yourbusiness.com>
Date2015-07-26 18:37 -0500
Message-ID<mp3qsl$ktu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509738
On 7/26/2015 5:41 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> On 7/26/2015 3:32 PM, Unum wrote:
>> On 7/26/2015 3:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2015 12:36 PM, Unum wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2015 2:03 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final publication,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the chumpsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that SLR --
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum --
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>>>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85
>>>>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>>>>> Redraw
>>>>>>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as necessary in
>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>>>>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as
>>>>>>>>> sciency
>>>>>>>>> language, lil buddy?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>>>>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>>>>>>>> and clear meaning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
>>>>>>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating
>>>>>>> fruitcakes
>>>>>>> and weasels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>>>>>>>> should mean
>>>>>>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>>>>>>>> Hansen has
>>>>>>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or
>>>>>>>>> more of
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such
>>>>>>>>> thing as
>>>>>>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims which
>>>>>>>>> have yet
>>>>>>>>> to be contradicted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>>>>>>>> aren't citing any of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
>>>>>> by me!
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep looking.
>>>>
>>>> Will I see something that isn't there?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>>>>>>>> standard of
>>>>>>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>>>>>>>> "scientifically
>>>>>>>>> correct".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no
>>>>>>> errors" or
>>>>>>> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future
>>>>>>> prediction
>>>>>>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that's your personal bogus interpretation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in
>>>>> adjective form.
>>>>>
>>>>> "conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate"
>>>>
>>>> I can understand why you would be so desperate to interpret the
>>>> phrase as something impossible to achieve. I'll stick with my perfectly
>>>> reasonable definition below.
>>>
>>> And I'll stick to pointing out the unsciency foolishness of yer
>>> definition.
>>
>> You begged me on your knees for a clarification and I explained it to
>> you. Meanwhile land ice melting has accelerated, hasn't it.
>>
>> "On average, some 310 cubic kilometres of ice was lost from the ice
>> shelves each year during this time, and the rate of loss is increasing
>> rapidly."
>
> Keywest Florida didn't get the message:

That the rate of loss is increasing rapidly? Other places seem to
be getting it.

> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large

So now Key West is the one place on Earth that reflects SLR all over
the planet? Your "conforming to fact or truth" didn't last very long.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/searise.html

http://www.grida.no/publications/vg/climate/page/3072.aspx

http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/impact_sea_level_rise.html

>>>>> We'll just say it
>>>>>> means "conforming with the principles of science".
>>>>>
>>>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming
>>>>> to fact
>>>>> or truth, free from error, and accurate?
>>>>
>>>> Its simply in conformance with observed empirical evidence such as
>>>> accelerating melting of land ice as has been posted here many times.
>>>
>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?
>>>
>>>>>>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are
>>>>>>> perfectly in
>>>>>>> character...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
>>>>>> pretty quick, don't you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever.
>>>>
>>>> We'll just note that you did in fact resort to personal attack.
>>>
>>> The whore Unum takes one ettiquette class and suddenly she becomes
>>> self-righteous about courtesy and manners!  Considering yer extensive
>>> history
>>> of Tourette syndrome, ironic doesn't begin to cover it.  Have you been
>>> taking
>>> Tourette suppressants, or something?
>>
>> Getting a little excited?
>>
>>> And what's with the use of majestic plurals, did your ettiquette class
>>> elevate
>>> your caste to royalty?
>>>
>>> And not just
>>
>> Click send a little too soon?
>
> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?

You are welcome to try to find something in a lieblog that indicates
otherwise. Better scramble! 90% of the Florida keys are less than 5ft above
sea level. Key West is at about 3 feet.

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#509768

FromChom Noamsky <moose-riders-suck@bc.commmmm>
Date2015-07-26 18:39 -0700
Message-ID<mp420u$i6n$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509756
On 7/26/2015 4:37 PM, Unum wrote:
> On 7/26/2015 5:41 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>> On 7/26/2015 3:32 PM, Unum wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2015 3:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2015 12:36 PM, Unum wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/2015 2:03 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chumpsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that
>>>>>>>>>>>> SLR --
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum --
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>>>>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85
>>>>>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Redraw
>>>>>>>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as
>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary in
>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>>>>>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as
>>>>>>>>>> sciency
>>>>>>>>>> language, lil buddy?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>>>>>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>>>>>>>>> and clear meaning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
>>>>>>>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating
>>>>>>>> fruitcakes
>>>>>>>> and weasels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>>>>>>>>> should mean
>>>>>>>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>>>>>>>>> Hansen has
>>>>>>>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or
>>>>>>>>>> more of
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such
>>>>>>>>>> thing as
>>>>>>>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> have yet
>>>>>>>>>> to be contradicted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>>>>>>>>> aren't citing any of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
>>>>>>> by me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep looking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will I see something that isn't there?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>>>>>>>>> standard of
>>>>>>>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>>>>>>>>> "scientifically
>>>>>>>>>> correct".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no
>>>>>>>> errors" or
>>>>>>>> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future
>>>>>>>> prediction
>>>>>>>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So that's your personal bogus interpretation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in
>>>>>> adjective form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate"
>>>>>
>>>>> I can understand why you would be so desperate to interpret the
>>>>> phrase as something impossible to achieve. I'll stick with my
>>>>> perfectly
>>>>> reasonable definition below.
>>>>
>>>> And I'll stick to pointing out the unsciency foolishness of yer
>>>> definition.
>>>
>>> You begged me on your knees for a clarification and I explained it to
>>> you. Meanwhile land ice melting has accelerated, hasn't it.
>>>
>>> "On average, some 310 cubic kilometres of ice was lost from the ice
>>> shelves each year during this time, and the rate of loss is increasing
>>> rapidly."
>>
>> Keywest Florida didn't get the message:
>
> That the rate of loss is increasing rapidly? Other places seem to
> be getting it.
>
>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>
> So now Key West is the one place on Earth that reflects SLR all over
> the planet? Your "conforming to fact or truth" didn't last very long.
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/searise.html
>
> http://www.grida.no/publications/vg/climate/page/3072.aspx
>
> http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/impact_sea_level_rise.html
>
>
>>>>>> We'll just say it
>>>>>>> means "conforming with the principles of science".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming
>>>>>> to fact
>>>>>> or truth, free from error, and accurate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Its simply in conformance with observed empirical evidence such as
>>>>> accelerating melting of land ice as has been posted here many times.
>>>>
>>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are
>>>>>>>> perfectly in
>>>>>>>> character...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
>>>>>>> pretty quick, don't you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll just note that you did in fact resort to personal attack.
>>>>
>>>> The whore Unum takes one ettiquette class and suddenly she becomes
>>>> self-righteous about courtesy and manners!  Considering yer extensive
>>>> history
>>>> of Tourette syndrome, ironic doesn't begin to cover it.  Have you been
>>>> taking
>>>> Tourette suppressants, or something?
>>>
>>> Getting a little excited?
>>>
>>>> And what's with the use of majestic plurals, did your ettiquette class
>>>> elevate
>>>> your caste to royalty?
>>>>
>>>> And not just
>>>
>>> Click send a little too soon?
>>
>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?
>
> You are welcome to try to find something in a lieblog that indicates
> otherwise. Better scramble! 90% of the Florida keys are less than 5ft above
> sea level. Key West is at about 3 feet.

That's not how it works, lil buddy, the onus is not on me to prove or 
disprove anything.  If you claim 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a 
"scientifically correct" fact, the onus is entirely yours.

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#509774

FromUnum <noneof@yourbusiness.com>
Date2015-07-26 21:11 -0500
Message-ID<mp43uj$a0b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#509768
On 7/26/2015 8:39 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
> On 7/26/2015 4:37 PM, Unum wrote:
>> On 7/26/2015 5:41 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2015 3:32 PM, Unum wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2015 3:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/2015 12:36 PM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 2:03 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 11:09 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 12:38 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2015 10:19 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 1:07 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 12:00 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 9:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 10:03 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:54:45 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/2015 3:28 AM, Paul Aubrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:23:22 -0500, Unum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 9:22 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 7:18 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/15 8:06 PM, Chom Noamsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the journal 'Atmospheric Chemistry and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status is currently 1st stage 'discussion paper'.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long ways to go before acceptance for final
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it passes 1st and 2nd stages of review, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may not happen until long after events like Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015.  Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait, there's your answer right there for hyping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-publication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft in the media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hey Chomp, Did you find anything in the content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      scientifically correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin Trenberth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious to see him cite Trenberth! Next week the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chumpsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trenberth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chom knows that the rational (scientific) attitude is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obvious lie, on alt.global-warming chumpsky has attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smear Chris Turney and John Cook in just the past couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lessee ... did Unum's post examine the idea or the person?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently chumpsky didn't "find anything in the content that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically correct". So what idea are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In order to take Hansen seriously one has to imagine that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SLR --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shown no acceleration since the end of the Maunder minimum --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow, at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some point, begin to exponentially increase over the next 85
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Redraw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the exponential curve in your head as many times as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> acheive suspension of disbelief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably assumes the ice sheets on Greenland and the Antarctic
>>>>>>>>>>>> melt into the ocean at increasing rates as many studies predict.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WTF does "presumably assumes" mean?  Is that what yer regard as
>>>>>>>>>>> sciency
>>>>>>>>>>> language, lil buddy?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You didn't like my choice of words? Oh darn!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, apparently you didn't "find anything in the content
>>>>>>>>>>>> that wasn't scientifically correct".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now we get a tedious parsing of some other words with an obvious
>>>>>>>>>> and clear meaning.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey, ice sheets will melt faster, and I mean definitely maybe!  Yer
>>>>>>>>> unambiguously ambiguous language is the language of equivocating
>>>>>>>>> fruitcakes
>>>>>>>>> and weasels.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First define what is meant by "scientifically correct". To me it
>>>>>>>>>>> should mean
>>>>>>>>>>> that you have some evidence that nobody has been able to refute.
>>>>>>>>>>> Hansen has
>>>>>>>>>>> been refuted by a number of fellow scientists, therefor one or
>>>>>>>>>>> more of
>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>> claims fails the criteria.  In reality there is actually no such
>>>>>>>>>>> thing as
>>>>>>>>>>> "scientifically correct", only evidence, arguments and claims
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> have yet
>>>>>>>>>>> to be contradicted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It could well be that he's been refuted, but I'm noticing you
>>>>>>>>>> aren't citing any of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yer go back and read agin, lil buddy!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All I see is a link to a chart, if that's all you got fine
>>>>>>>> by me!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep looking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will I see something that isn't there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I will be more than happy to oblige once you or Sam clarify what
>>>>>>>>>>> standard of
>>>>>>>>>>> evidence is required to satisfy the unscientific criteria of
>>>>>>>>>>> "scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>> correct".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If it isn't clear to you now, no amount of explanation will help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A literal interpretation of "scientifically correct" is "having no
>>>>>>>>> errors" or
>>>>>>>>> "conforming to fact".  How exactly do you assert that a future
>>>>>>>>> prediction
>>>>>>>>> involving high uncertainty "conforms to fact" or "has no errors"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So that's your personal bogus interpretation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, actually the dictionary definition of correct when used in
>>>>>>> adjective form.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "conforming to fact or truth; free from error; accurate"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can understand why you would be so desperate to interpret the
>>>>>> phrase as something impossible to achieve. I'll stick with my
>>>>>> perfectly
>>>>>> reasonable definition below.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I'll stick to pointing out the unsciency foolishness of yer
>>>>> definition.
>>>>
>>>> You begged me on your knees for a clarification and I explained it to
>>>> you. Meanwhile land ice melting has accelerated, hasn't it.
>>>>
>>>> "On average, some 310 cubic kilometres of ice was lost from the ice
>>>> shelves each year during this time, and the rate of loss is increasing
>>>> rapidly."
>>>
>>> Keywest Florida didn't get the message:
>>
>> That the rate of loss is increasing rapidly? Other places seem to
>> be getting it.
>>
>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKudLCwWwAIH8SP.png:large
>>
>> So now Key West is the one place on Earth that reflects SLR all over
>> the planet? Your "conforming to fact or truth" didn't last very long.
>>
>> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/searise.html
>>
>> http://www.grida.no/publications/vg/climate/page/3072.aspx
>>
>> http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/impact_sea_level_rise.html

Those cites blew your ass totally out of the water didn't they, lol!

>>>>>>> We'll just say it
>>>>>>>> means "conforming with the principles of science".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is "scientifically correct", i.e., conforming
>>>>>>> to fact
>>>>>>> or truth, free from error, and accurate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its simply in conformance with observed empirical evidence such as
>>>>>> accelerating melting of land ice as has been posted here many times.
>>>>>
>>>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greenmobbers normally make stupid statements, so you and Sam are
>>>>>>>>> perfectly in
>>>>>>>>> character...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When desperation sets in you get around to the personal attack phase
>>>>>>>> pretty quick, don't you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coming from you, the most ironic statement ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll just note that you did in fact resort to personal attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> The whore Unum takes one ettiquette class and suddenly she becomes
>>>>> self-righteous about courtesy and manners!  Considering yer extensive
>>>>> history
>>>>> of Tourette syndrome, ironic doesn't begin to cover it.  Have you been
>>>>> taking
>>>>> Tourette suppressants, or something?
>>>>
>>>> Getting a little excited?
>>>>
>>>>> And what's with the use of majestic plurals, did your ettiquette class
>>>>> elevate
>>>>> your caste to royalty?
>>>>>
>>>>> And not just
>>>>
>>>> Click send a little too soon?
>>>
>>> So 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct" fact?
>>
>> You are welcome to try to find something in a lieblog that indicates
>> otherwise. Better scramble! 90% of the Florida keys are less than 5ft above
>> sea level. Key West is at about 3 feet.
>
> That's not how it works, lil buddy, the onus is not on me to prove or disprove
> anything.  If you claim 10ft of SLR by 2100 is a "scientifically correct"
> fact, the onus is entirely yours.

Actually that is how it works. If you have a dispute with Hansens's
paper other than the nitwit little chart you posted (and which I
refuted) you can just bring it on out. Otherwise we can just assume
that you didn't "find anything in the content that wasn't scientifically
correct".

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