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| Message-ID | <565369A8.3781@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
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| Date | 2015-11-23 11:31 -0800 |
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
| Newsgroups | alt.astronomy, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Where is the center of the universe? |
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Tom Roberts wrote:
>
> On 11/21/15 11/21/15 - 12:48 PM, benj wrote:
> > Draw two normal lines to two separated points in our universe. Where they cross
> > is the center.
>
> You have claimed this several times. Apparently you don't understand that
> "normal to a point" has no meaning. In 3-D the concept "normal" applies TO A
> SURFACE, not to a point (or to a volume); in general the normal vector ("line")
> also depends on which point of the surface is used.
>
> What surface do you have in mind, why didn't you bother to mention it, and what
> make you think that the two lines will actually "cross"?
>
> You seem to have an excessively naive notion of geometry in
> your mind.
>
> > Sam represents the current idiocy of this theory. He says the universe has no
> > center. but also the universe is not multidimensional beyond 3 (Sam thinks
> > space-time is real so he calls time a dimension too making it 4) These two ideas
> > are totally mutually exclusive. Sam has no problem with that. You just never
> > think about both of them at the same time. Even better, don't think at all.
>
> You take issue with "Sam" without knowing the actual situation. He is by no
> means alone, and your claims here are simply due to your personal ignorance
> about basic geometry, about current cosmological models, and about other people.
>
> The best current cosmological model reproduces essentially all of the relevant
> details of the cosmos we observe. It has no "center of the universe", and models
> the geometry of the universe as a 4-dimensional spacetime manifold.
>
> Neither Sam nor cosmological models consider spacetime to be "real" (YOUR
> inappropriate word). Rather, spacetime is part of a MODEL of the world we
> inhabit; models based on it, SR and GR, are the best models we have today for
> the domains of the world in which they are valid. Mainstream cosmological models
> are based on GR (specifically the FLRW manifolds).
>
> Your claim "the universe is not multidimensional beyond 3"
> is confusing model and world -- that's invalid. You are
> implicitly ASSUMING some unspecified cosmological model, and
> the odds are incredibly high that it is not as good as the
> mainstream cosmological models you take issue with.
>
> IOW: arguing from ignorance is never a good plan. Basing your
> argument on an unacknowledged and unspecified model is
> downright silly. You don't even realize you are doing this.
>
> Tom Roberts
When you draw a line from the top of the universe..
to the bottom of the universe..that's one straight line.
Then you draw another line straight across...(of course
if you measure the length of the first line and divide
the number by 2, you know where the middle is at already)
When you draw the second line across, you now have
two lines and four parts.
The first three parts are the 3 dimensions...
the fourth part is the fourth dimension.
The center is the point where all the 4 dimensions meet....the center of
the universe.
That is as simple as I can explain it.
The Starmaker
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