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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2016-09-11 12:43 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-09-14 03:58 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 416 — 33 participants |
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Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-11 12:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Normal Human <NH@....> - 2016-09-12 08:01 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-11 15:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-11 16:28 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-12 00:06 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-12 07:31 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-12 12:57 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 05:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-12 08:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:04 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-12 14:26 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-12 19:18 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-12 12:37 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-12 22:43 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 22:18 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 06:45 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-12 23:56 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 08:16 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 00:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 22:00 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 20:53 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-14 20:15 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 01:34 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 08:23 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-15 03:33 -0400
Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-15 11:29 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 20:44 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-16 06:34 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-15 20:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-15 19:05 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-16 10:25 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-15 22:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 19:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-16 06:20 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 22:57 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 08:16 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-17 07:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-17 11:54 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-18 09:55 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 04:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 16:15 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 11:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 09:59 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 03:25 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-18 20:56 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 00:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 16:11 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 15:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-20 11:37 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 23:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 12:12 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 03:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 19:14 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 10:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 09:28 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-22 00:12 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 03:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 18:17 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 02:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 02:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 10:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 12:37 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-23 14:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-24 10:35 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 05:55 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-25 05:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 19:20 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-25 17:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-26 06:44 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-25 22:40 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-26 17:56 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-26 23:09 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-27 19:02 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-27 20:23 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-28 10:18 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-28 03:34 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-28 11:41 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-28 20:34 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-28 04:48 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-28 18:10 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-29 10:07 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-29 08:04 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-27 06:43 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-27 19:06 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-27 05:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-27 20:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-28 01:17 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 23:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-28 15:04 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-29 00:03 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-29 15:48 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 23:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-28 11:50 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-27 22:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-28 14:58 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-27 10:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 16:08 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 08:53 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 15:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-20 17:27 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 10:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-20 09:40 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 03:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 12:05 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 04:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-19 20:31 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 23:14 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 00:15 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-20 11:51 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 23:14 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-20 23:38 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 22:31 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-21 11:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 04:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-21 21:42 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 16:22 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 10:11 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-22 08:34 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-21 23:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 17:37 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-22 22:23 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 12:38 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 06:20 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 02:28 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-22 22:11 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-09-22 22:25 +0100
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-23 04:36 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 16:18 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 02:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 18:20 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-23 09:30 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 18:17 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-23 02:31 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-24 10:47 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-23 18:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-24 04:29 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-24 17:29 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-23 23:20 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-23 16:16 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-23 15:05 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-24 02:22 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-24 16:26 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-25 05:32 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-25 15:50 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-25 21:42 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-26 01:05 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 15:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-22 18:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-22 01:16 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 04:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 17:41 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 10:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 11:26 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-23 04:51 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 22:53 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 16:35 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-24 02:22 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 22:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-23 09:53 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-23 03:04 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-23 21:08 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-24 12:14 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-24 16:28 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-25 11:59 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-25 13:58 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-09-23 12:52 +0100
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-23 21:49 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-25 23:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-26 10:46 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 04:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-26 14:17 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 23:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-27 10:32 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-27 04:57 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 09:30 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-20 20:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 21:47 +0100
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-17 16:28 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 18:52 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-18 09:57 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 00:20 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 06:20 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 23:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 15:26 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 20:06 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-19 20:19 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 23:22 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-19 23:56 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 00:18 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 12:32 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-21 05:14 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-21 14:15 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 10:13 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 04:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-09-22 11:51 -0500
Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-22 11:04 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 14:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 04:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 16:04 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 15:31 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 11:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Hot-Text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-01 20:26 -0500
To A Atheism The Science Of Language Is Rrelativity "Hot-Text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-19 15:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 07:01 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-12 22:29 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 08:21 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 00:05 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 18:59 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 00:23 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-19 17:48 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-20 08:00 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 12:56 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-13 07:49 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 18:03 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 21:00 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 06:27 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-14 02:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 11:14 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-14 06:44 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 12:31 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-14 07:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 15:02 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 03:02 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-15 15:38 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 03:00 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-15 15:29 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 02:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-15 14:57 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-09-15 19:37 +0100
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-14 01:34 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 11:16 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-14 19:45 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-14 14:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-16 07:01 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 22:58 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 23:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 03:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-16 08:00 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 06:40 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Hot-Text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-16 18:57 -0500
Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:15 -0700
Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:33 -0700
Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:37 -0700
Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:05 -0700
Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 00:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 00:34 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-14 10:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-14 14:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-14 12:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 09:10 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-13 17:21 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-14 03:15 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-13 20:33 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 22:09 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 20:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 20:47 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-14 01:16 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 22:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-13 21:12 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:32 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-14 17:38 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-14 23:15 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-15 03:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 08:52 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 18:01 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 02:50 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 22:48 +0200
Re: Theism is Witchcraft Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-09-15 15:02 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 19:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-16 02:58 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-16 08:16 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-16 01:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-15 23:41 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-18 13:26 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-18 21:01 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 00:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-19 17:31 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 23:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-19 21:38 -0700
Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-19 23:37 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-19 23:58 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 10:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 09:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 15:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 22:28 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 10:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 18:38 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 15:14 -0400
Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-20 13:46 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 20:46 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-15 22:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 17:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-15 17:15 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 21:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 04:23 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 16:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:51 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 21:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 01:56 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 08:30 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-17 07:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 16:25 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 16:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-17 19:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 06:50 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 23:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 20:14 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 15:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-30 06:33 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-29 23:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:48 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 10:10 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 02:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:17 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 14:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 23:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-01 08:52 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-01 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 07:39 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 02:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-10-02 11:53 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 09:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 18:02 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-02 11:02 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-09 05:52 +0200
Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-10-09 00:09 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Hello Thomas <tsp2opt@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 07:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-08 07:15 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-10-08 12:36 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-08 22:56 +0200
Re: Atheism is NOT Witchcraft Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-10-08 15:33 -0600
Re: Atheism is NOT Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-09 05:42 +0200
Re: Atheism is NOT Witchcraft A Nony Mouse <abc@cef.ghi> - 2016-10-09 00:14 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 12:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 17:26 +0000
Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-17 11:48 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-17 12:54 -0500
Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-17 12:47 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 20:50 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-17 17:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 00:41 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 15:36 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 12:00 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-17 17:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 00:32 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 22:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-18 06:35 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-18 07:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-18 06:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 03:46 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 00:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 08:15 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 15:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-20 01:02 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-20 08:21 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-20 20:04 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-21 04:56 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-22 01:16 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-23 05:03 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-24 02:42 +0000
Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-23 23:17 -0600
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-24 17:25 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-24 22:06 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-25 00:36 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-25 05:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 13:56 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-25 16:02 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-25 11:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:23 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 18:54 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-26 09:59 +1000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-26 07:35 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-26 15:53 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-27 06:27 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-27 06:10 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-25 12:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-25 21:42 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-26 01:14 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-26 15:53 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 00:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 14:07 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 13:09 -0700
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 00:50 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 20:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-16 17:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:51 +0000
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-16 02:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 03:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-16 05:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 16:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 19:00 +0200
Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-14 03:58 -0400
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| From | Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 01:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9ns0v8.ih.17.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #393165 |
Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > Am 20.09.2016 22:04, schrieb Bob Officer: > >>>>> I case you like to learn more about the universe functions, than I can >>>>> provide my 'book' about a physical concept, which I have developed. That >>>>> idea is called 'structured spacetime': >>>>> >>>>> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6 >>>> >>>> Don't bother, the presentation is so bad, a high school physics student can >>>> debunk it. >>>> >>> >>> Then feel free to do that. >> >> Already done Thomas don't you remember. You left that group, running away, > > > > Yes, I DO in fact remember your 'name', but have quite unpleasant > memories about it. It should, your idiocy was fully exposed there, just as it is here. > You're among the people, who have flooded a group about alternative > medicine, what you mistakenly think is yours. Because I point out that this so called alternative medicine is a basic scam. > I have taken part in a few discussions in this group, but found myself > confronted with the wardens of this group, who planned to control what > is published there. In an unmoderated group, no one controls what is published. Do you have another lie of yours to tell? > But alternative medicine is not really my subject. So 'your' group is no > big loss for me. And physics is no loss if you left it also. > I came there like you came here: by crossposting. Are you sure? > > So I posted a certain idea to this group, which I had about autism. It > says, that Autism is caused by a bacterium in the digestion system, > which is a close relative to clostridium thetani. Well that seems to be a new stupid idea for you. > I still think it's a good idea, but it released kind of 'shitstorm'. > > So, no, thanks.. It was nonsense then and still is, Thomas. > There were other 'wardens', who apparently try to scare people away. And > some of your colleges stalks people in alt.conspiracy now. Other groups > are also infected with this 'disease'. Critical thinking is not a disease, Thomas. > I always wondered, what motivates people like you. I'm actually > insecure, if you are actually people. Your an idiot not insecure, an insecure person would have never posted to USENET. > Other possibilities are, that there exist software in the wast > IT-systems of the NSA, which produces natural language. And programmers > use the UseNet as kind of training ground. Oh this is funny... > Such software could possibly also speak in the natural voice of > arbitrary people. And combined with the artificial intelligence, that > produce spam in the UseNet, the software can eventually create > conversations, which people could not distinguish from conversations > with real humans (Turing test by smartphone). Do you take idiot pills, Thomas? Or are you naturally this stupid? > Another possibility, that I try to evaluate goes like this: > there are people, that belong to certain sects, which promote 'inverted > moral'. Once a initiate proves he's capable of convincing a number of > people about ridiculous crap, he gets promoted to the next level. And > certain people utilise the UseNet for this purpose. > > Or it is actually common practise among certain people, to behave like > 'intellectual wardens', who defend the status quo against any kind of > progress. Always the victim, Thomas? -- Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. John Cleese on Stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 05:03 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e4jkd4Fe48tU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #393280 |
Am 22.09.2016 03:16, schrieb Bob Officer: >>>>>> I case you like to learn more about the universe functions, than I can >>>>>> provide my 'book' about a physical concept, which I have developed. That >>>>>> idea is called 'structured spacetime': >>>>>> >>>>>> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6 >>>>> >>>>> Don't bother, the presentation is so bad, a high school physics student can >>>>> debunk it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Then feel free to do that. >>> >>> Already done Thomas don't you remember. You left that group, running away, >> >> >> >> Yes, I DO in fact remember your 'name', but have quite unpleasant >> memories about it. > > It should, your idiocy was fully exposed there, just as it is here. > >> You're among the people, who have flooded a group about alternative >> medicine, what you mistakenly think is yours. > > Because I point out that this so called alternative medicine is a basic > scam. Drug-based medicine is actually the 'alternative medicine'. Prior to the 20th century medicine was in almost any case, what now falls into the realm commonly called 'medicine'. But there existed medicine before the 20th century. E.g. traditional Chinese medicine was an ancient form of medicine and was accepted and highly developed. The modern form of curing a disease with a pill or two, is actually quite young. So you could regard this system and the idea of synthetic drugs as 'alternative'. It's the alternative to collecting herbs and to grind Tiger bones or so. Other forms of medicine fall gradually out of fashion, like physical treatment. E.g. acupuncture or water treatment were once regarded as medicine. The problem is, that people are not that happy with the system and look for alternatives to pills. This is, what makes them look at traditional methods, what pills were actually the alternative for. TH
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| From | Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-24 02:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9o1en5.h75.19.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #393441 |
Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > Am 22.09.2016 03:16, schrieb Bob Officer: > >>>>>>> I case you like to learn more about the universe functions, than I can >>>>>>> provide my 'book' about a physical concept, which I have developed. That >>>>>>> idea is called 'structured spacetime': >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6 >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't bother, the presentation is so bad, a high school physics student can >>>>>> debunk it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then feel free to do that. >>>> >>>> Already done Thomas don't you remember. You left that group, running away, >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, I DO in fact remember your 'name', but have quite unpleasant >>> memories about it. >> >> It should, your idiocy was fully exposed there, just as it is here. >> >>> You're among the people, who have flooded a group about alternative >>> medicine, what you mistakenly think is yours. >> >> Because I point out that this so called alternative medicine is a basic >> scam. > > > Drug-based medicine is actually the 'alternative medicine'. Today we have medicine which works and alternative medicine which doesn't. > Prior to the 20th century medicine was in almost any case, what now > falls into the realm commonly called 'medicine'. > > But there existed medicine before the 20th century. Modern medicine dates to about mid 1820 with the rejection of Galanism, Paracelsusism and Homeopathy. > E.g. traditional Chinese medicine was an ancient form of medicine and > was accepted and highly developed. But often works so poorly a placebo does better. Careful analysis of so called traditional Chinese medicine is loaded with various heavy metals which actually do more harm than good. > The modern form of curing a disease with a pill or two, is actually > quite young. > > So you could regard this system and the idea of synthetic drugs as > 'alternative'. It's the alternative to collecting herbs and to grind > Tiger bones or so. Only in your warped mind. > Other forms of medicine fall gradually out of fashion, like physical > treatment. E.g. acupuncture or water treatment were once regarded as > medicine. No it was always considered alternative. > The problem is, that people are not that happy with the system and look > for alternatives to pills. > > This is, what makes them look at traditional methods, what pills were > actually the alternative for. The pills were Delores because the other just didn't work as claimed. -- Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. John Cleese on Stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
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| From | Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 23:17 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Theism is Witchcraft |
| Message-ID | <aaa-16A63A.23170123092016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #393562 |
Atheism is absence of witchraft!
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-24 17:25 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4mo49F6697U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #393441 |
On 23/09/2016 13:03, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 22.09.2016 03:16, schrieb Bob Officer: > >>>>>>> I case you like to learn more about the universe functions, than >>>>>>> I can >>>>>>> provide my 'book' about a physical concept, which I have >>>>>>> developed. That >>>>>>> idea is called 'structured spacetime': >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6 >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't bother, the presentation is so bad, a high school physics >>>>>> student can >>>>>> debunk it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then feel free to do that. >>>> >>>> Already done Thomas don't you remember. You left that group, running >>>> away, >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, I DO in fact remember your 'name', but have quite unpleasant >>> memories about it. >> >> It should, your idiocy was fully exposed there, just as it is here. >> >>> You're among the people, who have flooded a group about alternative >>> medicine, what you mistakenly think is yours. >> >> Because I point out that this so called alternative medicine is a basic >> scam. > > > Drug-based medicine is actually the 'alternative medicine'. > > Prior to the 20th century medicine was in almost any case, what now > falls into the realm commonly called 'medicine'. > > But there existed medicine before the 20th century. Yes ... superstitious folk remedies whose chances of success were little better than random. > > > E.g. traditional Chinese medicine was an ancient form of medicine and > was accepted and highly developed. > > The modern form of curing a disease with a pill or two, is actually > quite young. And it has conquered the planet because it *works*. The alternative name for Western medicine is "evidence-based medicine" -- because its treatments and procedures and drugs are tested, again and again, and again.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-09-24 22:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e4o4m8FgrhrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #393569 |
Am 24.09.2016 09:25, schrieb Alex W.: > >> >> >> E.g. traditional Chinese medicine was an ancient form of medicine and >> was accepted and highly developed. >> >> The modern form of curing a disease with a pill or two, is actually >> quite young. > > And it has conquered the planet because it *works*. The alternative > name for Western medicine is "evidence-based medicine" -- because its > treatments and procedures and drugs are tested, again and again, and again. > You need drugs in certain cases, but medicine is not 'handing out pills'. Certainly modern chemicals are far better that grind tiger bones. But still there is a vast realm, where pills do not cure. I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal relations or weather. They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without synthetic drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a lot of practise. The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to avoid diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from becoming sick. Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to cure a patient from a disease. So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see only sick patients. TH
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 00:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns766n$qtv$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393642 |
On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:06:29 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 24.09.2016 09:25, schrieb Alex W.: >> >>> E.g. traditional Chinese medicine was an ancient form of medicine and >>> was accepted and highly developed. >>> >>> The modern form of curing a disease with a pill or two, is actually >>> quite young. >> >> And it has conquered the planet because it *works*. The alternative >> name for Western medicine is "evidence-based medicine" -- because its >> treatments and procedures and drugs are tested, again and again, and >> again. >> > You need drugs in certain cases, but medicine is not 'handing out > pills'. > > Certainly modern chemicals are far better that grind tiger bones. But > still there is a vast realm, where pills do not cure. > > I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far > superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). > > Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal relations > or weather. > > They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without synthetic > drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. > > To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you > need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could > not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a lot > of practise. > > The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to avoid > diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from becoming > sick. > > Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to cure a > patient from a disease. > > So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see only > sick patients. How did Chinese medicine eradicate smallpox? How is Chinese medicine helping to eradicate polio? How has Chinese medicine helped to find cures for cancers? -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 05:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jh5fub56m2m5fdcphom0k157jj8ev5kbmv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #393673 |
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 00:36:39 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> in alt.atheism with message-id <ns766n$qtv$2@gioia.aioe.org> wrote: >On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:06:29 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote: > >> Am 24.09.2016 09:25, schrieb Alex W.: >>> >>>> E.g. traditional Chinese medicine was an ancient form of medicine and >>>> was accepted and highly developed. >>>> >>>> The modern form of curing a disease with a pill or two, is actually >>>> quite young. >>> >>> And it has conquered the planet because it *works*. The alternative >>> name for Western medicine is "evidence-based medicine" -- because its >>> treatments and procedures and drugs are tested, again and again, and >>> again. >>> >> You need drugs in certain cases, but medicine is not 'handing out >> pills'. >> >> Certainly modern chemicals are far better that grind tiger bones. But >> still there is a vast realm, where pills do not cure. >> >> I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far >> superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). >> >> Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal relations >> or weather. >> >> They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without synthetic >> drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. >> >> To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you >> need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could >> not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a lot >> of practise. >> >> The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to avoid >> diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from becoming >> sick. >> >> Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to cure a >> patient from a disease. >> >> So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see only >> sick patients. > >How did Chinese medicine eradicate smallpox? >How is Chinese medicine helping to eradicate polio? >How has Chinese medicine helped to find cures for cancers? Or even bubonic plague. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor OBastard. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 13:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e4psc2Ft9lbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #393703 |
Am 25.09.2016 11:18, schrieb Attila <: >>> I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far >>> superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). >>> >>> Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal relations >>> or weather. >>> >>> They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without synthetic >>> drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. >>> >>> To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you >>> need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could >>> not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a lot >>> of practise. >>> >>> The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to avoid >>> diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from becoming >>> sick. >>> >>> Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to cure a >>> patient from a disease. >>> >>> So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see only >>> sick patients. >> >> How did Chinese medicine eradicate smallpox? >> How is Chinese medicine helping to eradicate polio? >> How has Chinese medicine helped to find cures for cancers? > > Or even bubonic plague. The idea of Chinese medicine is trying to prevent people from getting sick. To cure a disease is the principle of western medicine (not of traditional Chinese medicine). To illustrate the difference I use as example a car. one paradigm is: careful use and early maintenance the other principle: careless use and pickup truck to the garage TH
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 16:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns8se9$15fe$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393722 |
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:56:46 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 25.09.2016 11:18, schrieb Attila <: > >>>> I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far >>>> superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). >>>> >>>> Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal >>>> relations or weather. >>>> >>>> They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without >>>> synthetic drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. >>>> >>>> To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you >>>> need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could >>>> not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a >>>> lot of practise. >>>> >>>> The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to >>>> avoid diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from >>>> becoming sick. >>>> >>>> Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to >>>> cure a patient from a disease. >>>> >>>> So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see >>>> only sick patients. >>> >>> How did Chinese medicine eradicate smallpox? >>> How is Chinese medicine helping to eradicate polio? >>> How has Chinese medicine helped to find cures for cancers? >> >> Or even bubonic plague. > > The idea of Chinese medicine is trying to prevent people from getting > sick. > > To cure a disease is the principle of western medicine (not of > traditional Chinese medicine). > > To illustrate the difference I use as example a car. > > one paradigm is: careful use and early maintenance > > the other principle: careless use and pickup truck to the garage How does Chinese medicine prevent people from getting contagious diseases? How does Chinese medicine prevent people from getting cancers? Or, to use your analogy, how does it stop someone else from smashing into your stationary car? -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 11:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <h9tfubpefsa0s131m43m860kl7fkp132sf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #393737 |
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:02:17 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:56:46 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote: > >> Am 25.09.2016 11:18, schrieb Attila <: >> >>>>> I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far >>>>> superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). >>>>> >>>>> Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal >>>>> relations or weather. >>>>> >>>>> They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without >>>>> synthetic drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. >>>>> >>>>> To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you >>>>> need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could >>>>> not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a >>>>> lot of practise. >>>>> >>>>> The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to >>>>> avoid diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from >>>>> becoming sick. >>>>> >>>>> Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to >>>>> cure a patient from a disease. >>>>> >>>>> So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see >>>>> only sick patients. >>>> >>>> How did Chinese medicine eradicate smallpox? >>>> How is Chinese medicine helping to eradicate polio? >>>> How has Chinese medicine helped to find cures for cancers? >>> >>> Or even bubonic plague. >> >> The idea of Chinese medicine is trying to prevent people from getting >> sick. >> >> To cure a disease is the principle of western medicine (not of >> traditional Chinese medicine). >> >> To illustrate the difference I use as example a car. >> >> one paradigm is: careful use and early maintenance >> >> the other principle: careless use and pickup truck to the garage > >How does Chinese medicine prevent people from getting contagious diseases? >How does Chinese medicine prevent people from getting cancers? >Or, to use your analogy, how does it stop someone else from smashing into >your stationary car? The moron can't have heard of vaccination, regular exercise, good diet, personal hygiene, etc.
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| From | Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 16:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <224500944496512670.030185sam.m.tedesco-gmail.com@news.easynews.com> |
| In reply to | #393737 |
Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: > On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:56:46 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote: > >> Am 25.09.2016 11:18, schrieb Attila <: >> >>>>> I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far >>>>> superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). >>>>> >>>>> Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal >>>>> relations or weather. >>>>> >>>>> They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without >>>>> synthetic drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. >>>>> >>>>> To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you >>>>> need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could >>>>> not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a >>>>> lot of practise. >>>>> >>>>> The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to >>>>> avoid diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from >>>>> becoming sick. >>>>> >>>>> Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to >>>>> cure a patient from a disease. >>>>> >>>>> So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see >>>>> only sick patients. >>>> >>>> How did Chinese medicine eradicate smallpox? >>>> How is Chinese medicine helping to eradicate polio? >>>> How has Chinese medicine helped to find cures for cancers? >>> >>> Or even bubonic plague. >> >> The idea of Chinese medicine is trying to prevent people from getting >> sick. >> >> To cure a disease is the principle of western medicine (not of >> traditional Chinese medicine). >> >> To illustrate the difference I use as example a car. >> >> one paradigm is: careful use and early maintenance >> >> the other principle: careless use and pickup truck to the garage > > How does Chinese medicine prevent people from getting contagious diseases? > How does Chinese medicine prevent people from getting cancers? > Or, to use your analogy, how does it stop someone else from smashing into > your stationary car? <crickets>
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 18:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e4qdr5F32qjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #393737 |
Am 25.09.2016 18:02, schrieb Smiler: >>>>> I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far >>>>> superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). >>>>> >>>>> Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal >>>>> relations or weather. >>>>> >>>>> They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without >>>>> synthetic drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. >>>>> >>>>> To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you >>>>> need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could >>>>> not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a >>>>> lot of practise. >>>>> >>>>> The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to >>>>> avoid diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from >>>>> becoming sick. >>>>> >>>>> Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to >>>>> cure a patient from a disease. >>>>> >>>>> So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see >>>>> only sick patients. >>>> >>>> How did Chinese medicine eradicate smallpox? >>>> How is Chinese medicine helping to eradicate polio? >>>> How has Chinese medicine helped to find cures for cancers? >>> >>> Or even bubonic plague. >> >> The idea of Chinese medicine is trying to prevent people from getting >> sick. >> >> To cure a disease is the principle of western medicine (not of >> traditional Chinese medicine). >> >> To illustrate the difference I use as example a car. >> >> one paradigm is: careful use and early maintenance >> >> the other principle: careless use and pickup truck to the garage > > How does Chinese medicine prevent people from getting contagious diseases? > How does Chinese medicine prevent people from getting cancers? > Or, to use your analogy, how does it stop someone else from smashing into > your stationary car? 'The main concept' is not the same as 'all they could do'. Actually I'm insecure, if surgery of some kind had belonged to what these doctors did. But in principle they had the focus on keeping people healthy. This had to do with 'Chi' and 'Yin' and 'Yang', with five elements and a lot of meridians and so forth. They tried to balance the energies and if they came out of balance, than people get sick. (somehow like that) Accidents did happen and also injuries in war. But that was not the realm of herbs and acupuncture. This is a concept, which modern medicine is missing (attempts to keep healthy people healthy). Actually a lot of common activities are not particularly healthy. This ranges from most sports over food to smoking. E.g. people take very serious risks in certain activities, that are seemingly leisure, like e.g. paragliding or free-climbing. Low hygiene increases the risk of infections. Or people use drugs for entertainment and hurt their own body. They would be better off, if they get up early in the morning and practise Tai Chi in the park. TH
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-26 09:59 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4r6noF8tqtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #393743 |
On 26/09/2016 02:54, Thomas Heger wrote: > > Actually I'm insecure, if surgery of some kind had belonged to what > these doctors did. > > But in principle they had the focus on keeping people healthy. This had > to do with 'Chi' and 'Yin' and 'Yang', with five elements and a lot of > meridians and so forth. > > They tried to balance the energies and if they came out of balance, than > people get sick. (somehow like that) > > Accidents did happen and also injuries in war. But that was not the > realm of herbs and acupuncture. > > This is a concept, which modern medicine is missing (attempts to keep > healthy people healthy). Incorrect. Preventative medicine is alive and well. Free annual check-ups, nationwide screening schemes for breast and testicular cancers, education campaigns on the benefits of exercise and vegetables in your diet, more campaigns to educate on the dangers of drugs, alcohol and tobacco .... modern evidence-based medicine does a lot to keep people healthy. > > Actually a lot of common activities are not particularly healthy. This > ranges from most sports over food to smoking. > > E.g. people take very serious risks in certain activities, that are > seemingly leisure, like e.g. paragliding or free-climbing. > > Low hygiene increases the risk of infections. > > Or people use drugs for entertainment and hurt their own body. > > They would be better off, if they get up early in the morning and > practise Tai Chi in the park. Nothing to do with Chinese medicine, and everything with common sense and an appreciation of moderation in everything.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-09-26 07:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e4rqe4Fd0adU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #393795 |
Am 26.09.2016 01:59, schrieb Alex W.: >> Actually I'm insecure, if surgery of some kind had belonged to what >> these doctors did. >> >> But in principle they had the focus on keeping people healthy. This had >> to do with 'Chi' and 'Yin' and 'Yang', with five elements and a lot of >> meridians and so forth. >> >> They tried to balance the energies and if they came out of balance, than >> people get sick. (somehow like that) >> >> Accidents did happen and also injuries in war. But that was not the >> realm of herbs and acupuncture. >> >> This is a concept, which modern medicine is missing (attempts to keep >> healthy people healthy). > > Incorrect. > > Preventative medicine is alive and well. Free annual check-ups, > nationwide screening schemes for breast and testicular cancers, > education campaigns on the benefits of exercise and vegetables in your > diet, more campaigns to educate on the dangers of drugs, alcohol and > tobacco .... modern evidence-based medicine does a lot to keep people > healthy. > Traditional Chinese medicine would not do that and screen for breast cancer (for instance). The very idea of breast cancer belongs to western medicine, hence has no equivalence in what ancient Chinese doctors did. The Chinese believed, that 'Yin' and 'Yan' would float through the body on certain 'meridians'. At certain points it would connect the body to the environment and could be manipulated by the doctor. The doctor tries to keep the energies in balance and hoped, this would keep the person healthy. This idea is obviously remote to western medicine, since it does not concentrate on a disease (like e.g. cancer) but on health. But I'm not an expert in Chinese medicine, even I have read some books about it. So you may inform yourself from other source like e.g. this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine >> Actually a lot of common activities are not particularly healthy. This >> ranges from most sports over food to smoking. >> >> E.g. people take very serious risks in certain activities, that are >> seemingly leisure, like e.g. paragliding or free-climbing. >> >> Low hygiene increases the risk of infections. >> >> Or people use drugs for entertainment and hurt their own body. >> >> They would be better off, if they get up early in the morning and >> practise Tai Chi in the park. > > Nothing to do with Chinese medicine, and everything with common sense > and an appreciation of moderation in everything. Well, no, since Tai Chi does belong to the realm of traditional Chinese medicine. It is actually difficult to learn and common sense does not help very much. So people should learn TCM from good teachers (and not from books). TH
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| From | Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-26 15:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9o85re.kj0.19.2@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #393810 |
Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > Am 26.09.2016 01:59, schrieb Alex W.: > >>> Actually I'm insecure, if surgery of some kind had belonged to what >>> these doctors did. >>> >>> But in principle they had the focus on keeping people healthy. This had >>> to do with 'Chi' and 'Yin' and 'Yang', with five elements and a lot of >>> meridians and so forth. >>> >>> They tried to balance the energies and if they came out of balance, than >>> people get sick. (somehow like that) >>> >>> Accidents did happen and also injuries in war. But that was not the >>> realm of herbs and acupuncture. >>> >>> This is a concept, which modern medicine is missing (attempts to keep >>> healthy people healthy). >> >> Incorrect. >> >> Preventative medicine is alive and well. Free annual check-ups, >> nationwide screening schemes for breast and testicular cancers, >> education campaigns on the benefits of exercise and vegetables in your >> diet, more campaigns to educate on the dangers of drugs, alcohol and >> tobacco .... modern evidence-based medicine does a lot to keep people >> healthy. >> > > Traditional Chinese medicine would not do that and screen for breast > cancer (for instance). > > The very idea of breast cancer belongs to western medicine, hence has no > equivalence in what ancient Chinese doctors did. This shows your lack of understanding about the history of traditional Chinese medicine, Thomas. But go ahead and show us all how little you know but are willing to play the roll of the buffoon. > The Chinese believed, that 'Yin' and 'Yan' would float through the body > on certain 'meridians'. At certain points it would connect the body to > the environment and could be manipulated by the doctor. > > The doctor tries to keep the energies in balance and hoped, this would > keep the person healthy. > > This idea is obviously remote to western medicine, since it does not > concentrate on a disease (like e.g. cancer) but on health. You do realize the yin and yang were religious beliefs, and when you attempt to mix religious dogma with medicine you get nothing? > But I'm not an expert in Chinese medicine, even I have read some books > about it. So you may inform yourself from other source like e.g. this one LOL? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine Did you look,at the discussion pages Thomas? Much of what is written there is in dispute. It is not at the point of a full blow edit war but nearly at that point. > >>> Actually a lot of common activities are not particularly healthy. This >>> ranges from most sports over food to smoking. >>> >>> E.g. people take very serious risks in certain activities, that are >>> seemingly leisure, like e.g. paragliding or free-climbing. >>> >>> Low hygiene increases the risk of infections. >>> >>> Or people use drugs for entertainment and hurt their own body. >>> >>> They would be better off, if they get up early in the morning and >>> practise Tai Chi in the park. >> >> Nothing to do with Chinese medicine, and everything with common sense >> and an appreciation of moderation in everything. > > > Well, no, since Tai Chi does belong to the realm of traditional Chinese > medicine. > > It is actually difficult to learn and common sense does not help very > much. So people should learn TCM from good teachers (and not from books). Why would that make a difference? When tested properly, TCM fails. EOF -- Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. John Cleese on Stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-09-27 06:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e4uappF135oU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #393878 |
Am 26.09.2016 17:53, schrieb Bob Officer: >> Traditional Chinese medicine would not do that and screen for breast >> > cancer (for instance). >> > >> > The very idea of breast cancer belongs to western medicine, hence has no >> > equivalence in what ancient Chinese doctors did. > This shows your lack of understanding about the history of traditional > Chinese medicine, Thomas. But go ahead and show us all how little you know > but are willing to play the roll of the buffoon. > > I have not pretended to know very much about TCM. But at least I know a little about it, while you know nothing. TH
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| From | Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-27 06:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9o9o17.oa.17.3@news.alt.net> |
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Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > Am 26.09.2016 17:53, schrieb Bob Officer: >>> Traditional Chinese medicine would not do that and screen for breast >>>> cancer (for instance). >>>> >>>> The very idea of breast cancer belongs to western medicine, hence has no >>>> equivalence in what ancient Chinese doctors did. > >> This shows your lack of understanding about the history of traditional >> Chinese medicine, Thomas. But go ahead and show us all how little you know >> but are willing to play the roll of the buffoon. >> >> > > I have not pretended to know very much about TCM. > > But at least I know a little about it, while you know nothing. But I know far more than you do, and run away Thomas, that's what you do best. -- Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. John Cleese on Stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 12:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <45ufub1jg9ehbmfci75h16uqfp7th26j3e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #393722 |
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:56:46 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> in alt.atheism with message-id <e4psc2Ft9lbU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >Am 25.09.2016 11:18, schrieb Attila <: > >>>> I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far >>>> superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). >>>> >>>> Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal relations >>>> or weather. >>>> >>>> They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without synthetic >>>> drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. >>>> >>>> To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you >>>> need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could >>>> not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a lot >>>> of practise. >>>> >>>> The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to avoid >>>> diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from becoming >>>> sick. >>>> >>>> Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to cure a >>>> patient from a disease. >>>> >>>> So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see only >>>> sick patients. >>> >>> How did Chinese medicine eradicate smallpox? >>> How is Chinese medicine helping to eradicate polio? >>> How has Chinese medicine helped to find cures for cancers? >> >> Or even bubonic plague. > >The idea of Chinese medicine is trying to prevent people from getting sick. The only success was in making animals extinct. > >To cure a disease is the principle of western medicine (not of >traditional Chinese medicine). > >To illustrate the difference I use as example a car. > >one paradigm is: careful use and early maintenance > >the other principle: careless use and pickup truck to the garage > > > >TH The body does not have parts that are replaced when worn. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor OBastard. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 21:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9o65sv.13e.19.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #393722 |
Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > Am 25.09.2016 11:18, schrieb Attila <: > >>>> I think, the principles of traditional Chinese medicine are by far >>>> superior to what western doctors do (besides handing out pills). >>>> >>>> Chinese medicine also covers food, quality of homes, personal relations >>>> or weather. >>>> >>>> They have a lot of physical treatments, which operate without synthetic >>>> drugs, like e.g. massage or acupuncture. >>>> >>>> To apply such form of treatment you need extensive training. And you >>>> need a teacher, that act more like a 'personal trainer'. So you could >>>> not learn Chinese medicine from books, but you need a trainer and a lot >>>> of practise. >>>> >>>> The Chinese medicine has as a main principle, that doctors try to avoid >>>> diseases and there efforts are, to hinder their patients from becoming >>>> sick. >>>> >>>> Western medicine is based on the idea of intervention and aims to cure a >>>> patient from a disease. >>>> >>>> So Chinese doctors see healthy patients, while western doctors see only >>>> sick patients. >>> >>> How did Chinese medicine eradicate smallpox? >>> How is Chinese medicine helping to eradicate polio? >>> How has Chinese medicine helped to find cures for cancers? >> >> Or even bubonic plague. > > The idea of Chinese medicine is trying to prevent people from getting sick. And failed. The actual method the Chinese used was isolation. > To cure a disease is the principle of western medicine (not of > traditional Chinese medicine). And Chinese medicine didn't work. There are records suggest large scale number of population was suffering from lead poisoning allow easy conquest during the expansion of the European Empires. > To illustrate the difference I use as example a car. > > one paradigm is: careful use and early maintenance > > the other principle: careless use and pickup truck to the garage An example of what? That made no sense, Thomas? One needs to,ask if you are drunk or stoned, again? > -- Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms. John Cleese on Stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU
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