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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

From	niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.
Date	2015-08-22 16:26 +0800
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On 2015-08-22 03:42 PM, Attila < wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:10:43 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was
>>>>>>>>>>> >from the within?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same
>>>>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The
>>>>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever
>>>>>>>>> existed.  That still holds true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying.  For most of
>>>>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here
>>>>>> by being wilfully blind?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all.  It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I
>>>>> am not here physically.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am far from blind.  I simply have not been brainwashed to accept
>>>>> that which has no supporting evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple
>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on
>>>> your part.
>>>
>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like.  That has nothing to
>>> do with either accuracy or reality.
>>
>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the
>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining
>> the truth and reality.
>
> No brainwashing is necessary.  no other tool are available.

Science itself is based on a set of beliefs. For you to believe what 
science believes, how can it not be indoctrination or brainwashing?

>
>> You can not imagine the possibility that what you
>> see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to
>> make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a
>> character in <The Matrix>.
>
> A movie based on fiction.  Is that the best you can do?
>

That's just an example to show what exactly you have become by believing 
in science.

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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:53 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:58 +0100
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:52 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:56 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:49 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:50 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:33 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:26 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:26 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:35 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:41 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:58 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:42 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 09:21 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:45 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:59 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:17 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:40 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:24 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 11:05 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-24 14:55 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:28 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 16:55 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:10 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 14:49 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:20 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 02:48 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:02 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:32 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:45 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:45 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:31 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:48 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:51 +0000
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:48 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:30 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-18 19:15 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:39 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:38 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:21 +0100
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:19 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:40 +0100
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:36 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 10:05 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 01:13 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 20:38 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:28 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 11:52 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:47 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-23 16:09 +0100
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-25 00:14 +0800
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 21:52 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:57 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:23 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:30 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:32 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:37 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 23:38 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:55 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:12 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:45 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:28 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:43 +0800

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