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Re: How is time really organized

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Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>
>>> Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natividad ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡lusarski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej WoÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âºniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. Time is something completely else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time called 'now'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was over here, and now I'm over here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is here is here..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is very very far away apart from here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is everywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is right here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'W'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'T'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all Here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is like...WOW!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>> There.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>> over there!
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> over here it is the same now  as over there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>> over there!
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The time now is...NOW!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now? Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The time is Now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everywhere!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here or over there?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Over here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
>>>>>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
>>>>>>>>> our own past-light-cone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
>>>>>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
>>>>>>>>> that THAT would have borders.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
>>>>>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TH
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
>>>>>>>> was eternal time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The big bang created time in...seconds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
>>>>>>> is garbage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
>>>>>> "created" either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
>>>>>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
>>>>>>> picture unreal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
>>>>>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
>>>>>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
>>>>>> scene'
>>>>>> as it took place then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
>>>>>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
>>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
>>>>>>> (what we can't).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
>>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
>>>>>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
>>>>>> Earth."
>>>>>> and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly...
>>>>>
>>>>> But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
>>>>> and galaxies.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
>>>>> because the picture is 'layered in time'.
>>>>>
>>>>> To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
>>>>> because you can't do that with light.
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
>>>>>
>>>>> But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
>>>>> at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
>>>>> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
>>>>> cannot be solved.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
>>>>
>>>> Nature does not hide.
>>>
>>> Sure, nature hides lots of things.
>>>
>>> What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
>>> depending on your eyes and your point of view.
>>>
>>> Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
>>>
>>> It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
>>> something 'real'.
>>>
>>> Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
>>>
>>> Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
>>> narrow spectrum.
>>>
>>> Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
>>>
>>> E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
>>> Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
>>>
>>> Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
>>> do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
>>>
>>> E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
>>> exist.
>>>
>>> Next nasty thing is time:
>>>
>>> you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>> I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
> 
> 
> Of course, they say air is invisible...
> 
> is water invisible to a fish?
most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.

...

TH

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How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-17 13:36 +0200
  Re: How is time really organized Natividad Ślusarski <rsi@val.pl> - 2026-07-17 12:10 +0000
    Re: How is time really organized Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-07-18 00:40 +0200
      Re: How is time really organized Cale Balabuha <eah@baal.ru> - 2026-07-17 23:04 +0000
      Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-18 06:34 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-19 10:44 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-19 15:55 -0700
          Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-20 06:18 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-20 07:39 +0200
          Re: How is time really organized Ivo Balakirev <vaovb@kkrea.ru> - 2026-07-20 10:12 +0000
            Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:36 +0200
          Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-20 10:44 -0700
            Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-23 07:26 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-23 09:26 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized Fayv Bakharev <kerv@aaaah.ru> - 2026-07-23 18:10 +0000
                Re: How is time really organized Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 15:16 -0700
      Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-20 07:37 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-20 08:28 +0200
          Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:28 +0200
            Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-22 09:41 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-23 07:33 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-23 07:52 +0200
        Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-20 13:13 +0200
          Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-20 17:21 +0200
            Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-22 20:44 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-22 22:14 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-23 13:56 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-23 14:45 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-24 12:02 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-07-24 12:41 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized Barton Valetov <btaovl@lln.ru> - 2026-07-23 12:54 +0000
                Re: How is time really organized Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2026-07-23 15:54 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 08:31 -0700
          Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-22 08:41 +0200
            Re: How is time really organized "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-07-22 20:59 +0200
              Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:48 -0700
        Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:05 -0700
          Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:16 -0700
            Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 11:26 -0700
              Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 11:42 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 21:14 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-24 23:05 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-25 11:29 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-26 09:12 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized Vidal Bahovtsev <tald@lb.ru> - 2026-07-26 13:33 +0000
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-26 21:00 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-29 07:12 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-28 23:14 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-07-30 06:24 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-08-03 01:03 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-08-05 07:19 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-08-06 16:39 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-08-06 22:49 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-08-07 19:06 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-08-07 15:44 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-08-08 08:13 +0200
                Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-08-07 23:46 -0700
                Re: How is time really organized Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-08-07 19:05 +0200
            Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-27 12:05 -0700
          Re: How is time really organized The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-07-22 15:21 -0700
          Re: How is time really organized Dolph Bazulev <vblpb@vuu.ru> - 2026-07-23 21:16 +0000

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