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  a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-07 03:19 +0000
    Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-12 12:57 -0600
      Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 09:23 +1100
        Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 09:50 +1100
          Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 13:51 +1100
          Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-13 09:46 -0600
        Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-13 09:41 -0600
        Re: a small but significant win Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-10-13 21:19 -0700
          Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 16:02 +1100
            Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 19:11 +1100
              Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 19:42 +1100
          Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 16:18 +1100
            Re: a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-14 07:29 +0000
              Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 19:38 +1100
                Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 03:08 +1100
                  Re: a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-14 17:02 +0000
                    Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-14 14:35 -0600
                    Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 14:48 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 15:56 +1100
                        Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 16:02 +1100
                  Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-14 14:36 -0600
                    Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:04 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 09:01 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 10:41 -0600
                      Re: a small but significant win Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-16 20:38 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 09:39 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 11:03 -0600
                        Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:32 +1100
                  Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 07:38 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-14 14:42 -0600
                      Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:24 +1100
                        Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 09:10 +1100
                        Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 10:44 -0600
                          Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 05:43 +1100
                            Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 13:00 -0600
                            Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:48 +1100
                              Re: a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-16 03:06 +0000
                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 09:38 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:11 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:26 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 10:42 -0600
                        Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:15 +1100
              Re: a small but significant win Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-14 20:34 +1100
                Re: a small but significant win R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-14 09:54 +0000
                  Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 08:01 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 22:09 +1100
                Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 07:52 +1100
                  Re: a small but significant win Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 23:49 +1100
                    Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 03:25 +1100
                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:10 +1100
                        Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 07:00 +1100
                          Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 07:15 +1100
                            Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 07:45 +1100
                              Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 07:51 +1100
                                Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 08:06 +1100
                                  Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 08:34 +1100
                                    Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 09:31 +1100
                                      Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 11:07 +1100
                                        Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 14:32 +1100
                                          Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 15:39 +1100
                                            Re: a small but significant win Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 16:03 +1100
          Re: a small but significant win 000-666 <8-0-15@never.invalid> - 2026-10-14 21:50 +0000
            Re: a small but significant win multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-10-15 11:01 -0600
              Re: a small but significant win "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 06:30 +1100

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#102457 — a small but significant win

The High Court of Aus has ruled fossil businesses must be judged by
the pollution their customers produce worldwide.

This will affect whether new projects can be rubber-stamped by the fed
govt who must comply with prev law putting increasingly more stringent
limits on climate-warming emissions.


[WE Can Do It!]
NSW coalmine climate ruling a massive shake-up to Australia's oil and gas
ABC News, 7 Oct 2026 at 1:58p
Australia's High Court rules in favour of a Hunter Valley community
group in a landmark climate ruling that could redraw how fossil fuel
projects are approved in Australia.

  NSW coal mines to be forced to consider overseas emissions in landmark 
  climate ruling
  The Australian, 7 Oct 2026 11:13 
  Future coal mines in NSW must be judged on the emissions their
  exports produce overseas under a landmark High Court ruling, ...

--
[USV!]
Black Sea tanker attack off Russia's Olympic city sparks 'fire of oil'
ABC News, 7 Oct 2026 at 1:52pm
An attack by "unmanned boats" on a Liberian-flagged tanker off the
coast of the Russian Olympic city of Sochi sparked a giant "fire of
oil", Russian authorities say.

[Trump Boosts EV Sales Worldwide:]
Expensive oil leads to record low gas car sales replaced by anything with a
battery
Notebookcheck, 7 Oct 2026 07:09
Higher oil prices are becoming a death knell for gas-powered vehicles
worldwide, as sales hit new lows. The gas car sales ...

AGs warn Supreme Court climate lawsuit could unleash nationwide `carbon tax'
Fox News, 7 Oct 2026 04:54
Utah and Alabama attorneys general warn Colorado's climate case could drive 
up costs nationwide, while former Washington Gov.

  Supreme Court questions oil companies' bid to shut down climate lawsuits
  The Wall Street Journal on MSN.com, 6 Oct 2026 05:25
  Justices debate whether local governments can sue energy giants for harms 
  linked to climate change.

Massachusetts launches new heating oil program for middle-class households
WWLP, 7 Oct 2026 01:33
Massachusetts launched a new heating oil assistance program to help
middle-class families facing rising costs.

The Hidden Cost of Saudi Arabia's Oil Export Recovery
OilPrice.com, 7 Oct 2026 03:06
Brent holds near $100 as recovering Gulf oil flows collide with record
freight costs and mounting tanker risks.

Quantum interactions may have locked early universe's fields into 
existing energy states
Phys.org, 6 Oct 2026 

Bacteria regulate collective behaviour by mechanosensing cell-cell collisions
Nature, 6 Oct 2026 07:16

CIA report warns of civil conflict and 'collapse' in Israel: Report
Middle East Eye, 6 Oct 2026 

[Capitalism Wins!]
Homeowners are being left with years of debt after extreme weather wrecks 
their properties
Daily Mail on MSN, 6 Oct 2026 23:30 
Americans are paying the price for extreme weather events long after the 
storms pass, as repair bills drain savings and leave ...

Former German spy chief arrested over alleged espionage and treason
ABC News, 7 Oct 2026 at 1:36am
August Hanning, who ran Berlin's BND foreign intelligence service,
is accused of paying to access secret documents for a foreign spy
service.

Kenya Records Ebola Case for First Time
The New York Times, 6 Oct 2026 20:09

Ship sinks and crew missing after Black Sea drone attack
BBC, 6 Oct 2026 20:09

  Drone sinks ship off Bulgaria, as fears grow about hybrid attacks by Russia
  Reuters, 6 Oct 2026 10:09

France tests upgraded nuclear missile against backdrop of Russia tensions
Reuters, 6 Oct 2026 18:07

EXCLUSIVE: Attack aircraft, military vehicles visible at new China-Laos 
base, satellite images show
Reuters, 6 Oct 2026 16:05
[Hegseth didnt see it coming].

Massive Ukrainian drone attack targets Moscow, Russian officials say
France 24, 6 Oct 2026 15:01

[Legal limits are only suggestions!]
UK oil refinery broke toxic pollution limits dozens of times, documents
reveal
BBC, 6 Oct 2026 11:27
One of the UK's biggest oil refineries spilled pollution into local
rivers and the Mersey Estuary on dozens of occasions in ...

Young Canadians sue government over alleged climate failures
France 24, 6 Oct 2026 14:24
When a wildfire threatened her northern Canada home three years ago, Kira 
Young packed what she could and fled.

Climate damage already 'locked in' - but these 10 insights show our future 
is still being decided
Euronews on MSN.com, 6 Oct 2026 15:24 
From rising sea levels to food systems fuelling climate change - experts 
have laid out 10 insights that require urgent action ...

[No Price Signal!]
COP31 eyes modest steps as climate disasters multiply
Radio France Internationale, 6 Oct 2026 16:23 
Nations reeling from a year of climate devastation gather for COP31 next 
month but negotiations are not expected to deliver major progress in cutting 
the fossil fuels driving the crisis.

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#102460

On 10/6/26 9:19 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> The High Court of Aus has ruled fossil businesses must be judged by
> the pollution their customers produce worldwide.
> 
> This will affect whether new projects can be rubber-stamped by the fed
> govt who must comply with prev law putting increasingly more stringent
> limits on climate-warming emissions.

Oh marvelous - you've managed to bastardize a global VAT tax with a 
carbon tax!

What a simperingly stupid foregone conclusion that mass fleecing is.

Ya sheep-bit Oztarded anus.

Buncha irredeemable fascists you lot are.

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#102472

On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 12:57:29 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:

>On 10/6/26 9:19 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>> The High Court of Aus has ruled fossil businesses must be judged by
>> the pollution their customers produce worldwide.
>> 
>> This will affect whether new projects can be rubber-stamped by the fed
>> govt who must comply with prev law putting increasingly more stringent
>> limits on climate-warming emissions.
>
>Oh marvelous - you've managed to bastardize a global VAT tax with a 
>carbon tax!
>
>What a simperingly stupid foregone conclusion that mass fleecing is.
>
>Ya sheep-bit Oztarded anus.
>
>Buncha irredeemable fascists you lot are.
>
The "Greens" party are anything but GREEN!
In Australia it is compulsory to vote, 
Right now done by preferential system where you must vote in order of
preference 1 for party A, 2 for B, 3 for C and so on a minimum of 16
times to be counted, OR just put one in the box for your party choice
This has designed prefences decided by the party box you tick
And this is what happens

To get votes parties do deals to share preferences, Labor, Greens
funnels votes as 2nd choice (as well as further count)
So both Labor and "GREENS" have become a alliance with "Fantasia"
climate policies turning the nation to ashes.

The so called Labor party has no Labor people on its cabinet

The Greens are often described as a “watermelon” party—green on the
outside, red on the inside. I see Albanese Labor as increasingly
committed to a green-left political agenda, while relying on Greens
preferences to strengthen its chances in close contests.

But the deeper problem, in my view, is that "Labor" has become distant
from the people it was founded to represent. Too few of its leading
figures appear to have come directly from jobs such as mining,
manufacturing, construction, rail or the trades. The party is
increasingly shaped by university, union, party-office,
ministerial-staff and professional policy careers.

The original Labor movement was built by tradespeople, miners, railway
workers, and factory hands—people who knew what a hard day's physical
work felt like..
Today, that base has largely been replaced by a professional political
class
.1. The Death of the "Blue-Collar" Politician
In the mid-to-late 20th century, a Labor MP was highly likely to have
come straight from a shop floor or a trade..
Today, a vast majority of Labor politicians in Australia follow a very
specific, insular career path..
The Pipeline: 
They go straight from university to working as a political staffer,
then move into a role as a trade union official, and finally enter
parliament..
The Missing Link: 
They have never run a business, never had to worry about making
commercial payroll, and have never worked a competitive job in the
private sector
.2. The Rise of the "Professional Class
 "When modern Labor parties do recruit from outside politics, they
tend to pull from a very narrow pool of white-collar professionals,
which explains observation about "failed lawyers".
>
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#102474

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> The "Greens" party are anything but GREEN!
> In Australia it is compulsory to vote,

> Right now done by preferential system where you must vote in order of
> preference 1 for party A, 2 for B, 3 for C and so on a minimum of 16
> times to be counted, OR just put one in the box for your party choice
> This has designed prefences decided by the party box you tick
> And this is what happens

> To get votes parties do deals to share preferences, Labor, Greens
> funnels votes as 2nd choice (as well as further count)

> So both Labor and "GREENS" have become a alliance with "Fantasia"
> climate policies turning the nation to ashes.

> The so called Labor party has no Labor people on its cabinet

More of your mindless bullshit

> The Greens are often described as a “watermelon” party—green on the
> outside, red on the inside.

> I see Albanese Labor as increasingly
> committed to a green-left political agenda,

More fool you

> while relying on Greens   preferences tostrengthen its chances in close  
> contests.

Even sillier and more pig ignorant given labor's massive majority

> But the deeper problem, in my view, is that "Labor" has become distant
> from the people it was founded to represent. Too few of its leading
> figures appear to have come directly from jobs such as mining,
> manufacturing, construction, rail or the trades.

Dregs like that are the last thing we need as MPs and senators

> The party is   increasingly shaped by university, union,party-office,   
> ministerial-staff and professional policy careers.

The last thing we need is ignorant bigots like Hanson

> The original Labor movement was built by tradespeople, miners, railway
> workers, and factory hands—people who knew what a hard day's physical
> work felt like..

And included professions like Evatt too

> Today, that base has largely been replaced by a professional political
> class

> .1. The Death of the "Blue-Collar" Politician
> In the mid-to-late 20th century, a Labor MP was highly likely to have
> come straight from a shop floor or a trade..

And the last thing we need is a fucking train driver as the fucking  
treaserer

> Today, a vast majority of Labor politicians in Australia follow a very
> specific, insular career path..

> The Pipeline:
> They go straight from university to working as a political staffer,
> then move into a role as a trade union official, and finally enter
> parliament..

> The Missing Link:
> They have never run a business, never had to worry about making
> commercial payroll, and have never worked a competitive job in the
> private sector

Fat lot of good that did Hanson

> .2. The Rise of the "Professional Class
>  "When modern Labor parties do recruit from outside politics, they
> tend to pull from a very narrow pool of white-collar professionals,
> which explains observation about "failed lawyers".

None of them are FAILED lawyers

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#102476

On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 09:50:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>More of your mindless bullshit
>
Says you high on BS droppings as always

-- 
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     https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh  
Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious 
argumentative figure often labeled a troll.

So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

Rod Speed a annoying  Australian can type faster than you can talk
Best to ignore or he will continue to bait you
Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

When he starts short vulgar bursts just stop replying--

If you want to practice talking to his idiot responses Australia has a
bot to practice with or he white ants you overtime you post!
"The Rod Speed Bot"
https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed
 
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IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ROD SPEED'S HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, 
HIS HEAD IS UP HIS OWN ARSE, ALWAYS FARTING EYLASHES!

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#102483

On 10/12/26 4:50 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> More of your mindless bullshit
> 
> More fool you




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...don't step in any rod speed troll droppings...

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#102481

On 10/12/26 4:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 12:57:29 -0600, multistrada <ab@in.valid> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/6/26 9:19 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>>> The High Court of Aus has ruled fossil businesses must be judged by
>>> the pollution their customers produce worldwide.
>>>
>>> This will affect whether new projects can be rubber-stamped by the fed
>>> govt who must comply with prev law putting increasingly more stringent
>>> limits on climate-warming emissions.
>>
>> Oh marvelous - you've managed to bastardize a global VAT tax with a
>> carbon tax!
>>
>> What a simperingly stupid foregone conclusion that mass fleecing is.
>>
>> Ya sheep-bit Oztarded anus.
>>
>> Buncha irredeemable fascists you lot are.
>>
> The "Greens" party are anything but GREEN!
> In Australia it is compulsory to vote,
> Right now done by preferential system where you must vote in order of
> preference 1 for party A, 2 for B, 3 for C and so on a minimum of 16
> times to be counted, OR just put one in the box for your party choice
> This has designed prefences decided by the party box you tick
> And this is what happens

Wow, we're still not in the national grips of "ranked voting" - let 
alone mandated to go like sheep to do so...yet...


> To get votes parties do deals to share preferences, Labor, Greens
> funnels votes as 2nd choice (as well as further count)
> So both Labor and "GREENS" have become a alliance with "Fantasia"
> climate policies turning the nation to ashes.

Despicable.
  > The so called Labor party has no Labor people on its cabinet
> 
> The Greens are often described as a “watermelon” party—green on the
> outside, red on the inside. I see Albanese Labor as increasingly
> committed to a green-left political agenda, while relying on Greens
> preferences to strengthen its chances in close contests.
> 
> But the deeper problem, in my view, is that "Labor" has become distant
> from the people it was founded to represent. Too few of its leading
> figures appear to have come directly from jobs such as mining,
> manufacturing, construction, rail or the trades. The party is
> increasingly shaped by university, union, party-office,
> ministerial-staff and professional policy careers.

I believe the UK has precisely the same demographic drift in their LP too.

> The original Labor movement was built by tradespeople, miners, railway
> workers, and factory hands—people who knew what a hard day's physical
> work felt like..
> Today, that base has largely been replaced by a professional political
> class

Same as our Democrap party - leftarded university policy wonks and 
'guilty social conscience' rich white peepo...


> .1. The Death of the "Blue-Collar" Politician
> In the mid-to-late 20th century, a Labor MP was highly likely to have
> come straight from a shop floor or a trade..
> Today, a vast majority of Labor politicians in Australia follow a very
> specific, insular career path..
> The Pipeline:
> They go straight from university to working as a political staffer,
> then move into a role as a trade union official, and finally enter
> parliament..
> The Missing Link:
> They have never run a business, never had to worry about making
> commercial payroll, and have never worked a competitive job in the
> private sector
> .2. The Rise of the "Professional Class
>   "When modern Labor parties do recruit from outside politics, they
> tend to pull from a very narrow pool of white-collar professionals,
> which explains observation about "failed lawyers".
>>

Masterful summary, tnx for a look inside Oz.

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#102497

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> In Australia it is compulsory to vote, 
> Right now done by preferential system where you must vote in order of
> preference 1 for party A, 2 for B, 3 for C and so on a minimum of 16
> times to be counted, OR just put one in the box for your party choice
> This has designed prefences decided by the party box you tick
> And this is what happens

So you're forced to vote, and then all you can do is vote
for a party, not a candidate?  Do you people have any say
as to who the candidates are, or does the party decide
all that for you?

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#102498

On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 21:19:23 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In Australia it is compulsory to vote, 
>> Right now done by preferential system where you must vote in order of
>> preference 1 for party A, 2 for B, 3 for C and so on a minimum of 16
>> times to be counted, OR just put one in the box for your party choice
>> This has designed prefences decided by the party box you tick
>> And this is what happens
>
>So you're forced to vote, and then all you can do is vote
>for a party, not a candidate?  Do you people have any say
>as to who the candidates are, or does the party decide
>all that for you?
>
if a Candidate wishes to stand as a independent that candidate is not
given a party box, so to vote you have to fully open the ballot paper
(tablecloth size in a voting box that is to small to open without it
being folded) 
You then need to put 1 in that  candidates box then find 15 others to
continue in your order preference (most just donkey vote 1 to 16)
Have not seen anyone bother easier to put 1 in a party box then go to
a pub.

Below is how "Albanese Labor" gets in he stands as  a "Labor Party"
candidate, but none in his cabernet are representative of being 
Labor Party people 
(their only purpose is to be reelected for more Greed Grab and theft)

My take
I don't even see "Albanese Labor" government as Labor party.

They are enacting fantasia of "green" ideas none of this fantasy are
benefiting Australia.
With. energy, debt, rents. housing affordability, wages, terrorism.
crime, worsening and of no benefit to population, in fact worsening as
each day goes by!

Not one member of the Albanese Cabinet is a labourer in the
traditional Labor sense. There are no miners, factory hands, railway
workers, construction labourers or long-term tradespeople who came
directly from the shop floor. The people now speaking for Labor
largely come from universities, party offices, ministerial staff
positions, unions, law and professional policy careers.
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#102501

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> In Australia it is compulsory to vote,

>>> Right now done by preferential system

Yes

>>> where you must vote in order of
>>> preference 1 for party A, 2 for B, 3 for C and so on a minimum of 16
>>> times to be counted, OR just put one in the box for your party choice

That alternative varys with the juridiction

>>> This has designed prefences decided by the party box you tick

>>> And this is what happens

That alternative varys with the juridiction

>> So you're forced to vote, and then all you can do is vote
>> for a party, not a candidate?  Do you people have any say
>> as to who the candidates are, or does the party decide
>> all that for you?

> if a Candidate wishes to stand as a independent that candidate is not
> given a party box, so to vote you have to fully open the ballot paper
> (tablecloth size in a voting box that is to small to open without it
> being folded)

That's bullshit with most electorates

> You then need to put 1 in that  candidates box then find 15 others to
> continue in your order preference

That number is bullshit with most electorates

> (most just donkey vote 1 to 16)

Complete and utter bullshit

> Have not seen anyone bother easier to put 1 in a party box then go to
> a pub.

Because you never get to see how anyone else votes

> Below is how "Albanese Labor" gets in he stands as  a "Labor Party"
> candidate, but none in his cabernet are representative of being
> Labor Party people

Because you have never had a fucking clue

> (their only purpose is to be reelected for more Greed Grab and theft)

Just more of your mindless bullshit

> My take

Just more of your mindless bullshit

> I don't even see "Albanese Labor" government as Labor party.

You have always been and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant

Your 'take' in spades

<reams of your steaming turds flushed where they belong>

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#102503

On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 19:11:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

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#102499

Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>> In Australia it is compulsory to vote,

>> Right now done by preferential system where you must vote in order of
>> preference 1 for party A, 2 for B, 3 for C and so on a minimum of 16
>> times to be counted, OR just put one in the box for your party choice

>> This has designed prefences decided by the party box you tick
>> And this is what happens

> So you're forced to vote,

Yes

> and then all you can do is vote
> for a party, not a candidate?

No, in both cases you are voting for a particular candidate

When you number all the boxes in the order you want to,
you are spelling out which candidate you prefer if the one
you gave 1 to doesn't get enough votes to be elected

> Do you people have any say   as to who the candidates are,

That's up to the candidates to put themselves up for election

> or does the party decide   all that for you?

The only say the partys have is who they agree to have as their candidate

If no party will have a particular candidate or the individual
decides no to be a candidate for any particular party, they
are free to stand as independants

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#102500

Man. What a  confusing mess. 
Dont tell me they dont let you vote coz you're still a foreign national...

|Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote
|> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
|>> In Australia it is compulsory to vote,
|>> Right now done by preferential system where you must vote in order of
|>> preference 1 for party A, 2 for B, 3 for C and so on a minimum of 16
|>> times to be counted, OR just put one in the box for your party choice
|>> This has designed prefences decided by the party box you tick
|>> And this is what happens
|> So you're forced to vote,
|Yes

No. You are not forced to vote. If you are registered to vote then
you are expected to get "marked off" at election time. Or you can pay
the fine. You dont need to actually vote. If you attend a polling booth 
then you are issued marked ballots.  You can walk right and and put these 
right in the boxes without marking them. Or you can mail in an empty 
envelope if you have arranged a mail-in vote.  
Notoriously, people mail in all kinds of non-votes if you ask any of the 
volunteers that have to open them up.

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#102502

On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 07:29:03 -0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org>
wrote:

>Man. What a  confusing mess. 
>Dont tell me they dont let you vote coz you're still a foreign national...
>
>|Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote
>|> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>|>> In Australia it is compulsory to vote,
>|>> Right now done by preferential system where you must vote in order of
>|>> preference 1 for party A, 2 for B, 3 for C and so on a minimum of 16
>|>> times to be counted, OR just put one in the box for your party choice
>|>> This has designed prefences decided by the party box you tick
>|>> And this is what happens
>|> So you're forced to vote,
>|Yes
>
>No. You are not forced to vote. If you are registered to vote then
>you are expected to get "marked off" at election time. Or you can pay
>the fine. You dont need to actually vote. If you attend a polling booth 
>then you are issued marked ballots.  You can walk right and and put these 
>right in the boxes without marking them. Or you can mail in an empty 
>envelope if you have arranged a mail-in vote.  
>Notoriously, people mail in all kinds of non-votes if you ask any of the 
>volunteers that have to open them up.
>
Albanese Labor seems to of been paying Islamic groups around Australia
millions of tax payer dollars to multiple vote for them
Came unstuck when some Islamic Tik Tok groups skiting, showed multiple
voting forms with same handwriting on them for the House of
Representatives (HoR). The Tablecloth ballot form is for Federal
Senate.
dailytelegraph.com.au is a pay site
<https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tik-tok-linked-to-controversial-mosque-posted-video-of-multiple-ballots-backing-labor-mp/news-story/bff839a43e73de24aa2df4f92e05697a>
     https://tinyurl.com/2wsahp9h
TikTok linked to controversial mosque posted video of multiple ballots
backing Labor MP
A TikTok account linked to a mosque – which was handed a $670,000
taxpayer-funded grant by Labor MP Julian Hill before last year’s
federal election – posted a video from within a voting centre of
multiple ballot papers backing Mr Hill a week before polling day.
sample/image copied from paper
https://ibb.co/LXDRnVpR

Islamic groups under the guise of multiculturalism 
<https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/multicultural-grants-jump-to-325m-as-data-reveals-vast-majority-flow-to-labor-electorates/news-story/77d7c167904243865e6e30fb8d91cc67>
        https://tinyurl.com/r3s3cyw4
Multicultural grants jump to $325m as data reveals vast majority flow
to Labor electorates
-- 
Petzl
An evil enemy will from within, 
will burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
   Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu 
   (author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.

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#102506

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> Albanese Labor seems to of been paying Islamic groups around Australia
> millions of tax payer dollars to multiple vote for them

Just another of your pathetic little fantasys

> Came unstuck when some Islamic Tik Tok groups skiting, showed multiple
> voting forms with same handwriting on them for the House of
> Representatives (HoR).

Those are HOW TO VOTES, not the actual ballot papers
and were only how to votes of one party that chose to
not spell out how they wanted voters with the other
partys to vote instead of specifying what they should
do voting wise for other partys for preferences

A few volunteers didn't like that so manually
amended those HOW TO VOTES

> The Tablecloth ballot form is for Federal   Senate.

> dailytelegraph.com.au is a pay site

And is just another Murdoch shit rag

> <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tik-tok-linked-to-controversial-mosque-posted-video-of-multiple-ballots-backing-labor-mp/news-story/bff839a43e73de24aa2df4f92e05697a>
>      https://tinyurl.com/2wsahp9h
> TikTok linked to controversial mosque posted video of multiple ballots
> backing Labor MP

Not ballot papers, HOW TO VOTES

> A TikTok account linked to a mosque – which was handed a $670,000
> taxpayer-funded grant by Labor MP Julian Hill before last year’s
> federal election – posted a video from within a voting centre of
> multiple ballot papers backing Mr Hill a week before polling day.

So can't be ballot papers, JUST how to votes

> sample/image copied from paper
> https://ibb.co/LXDRnVpR

Those are HOW TO VOTES

> Islamic groups under the guise of multiculturalism
> <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/multicultural-grants-jump-to-325m-as-data-reveals-vast-majority-flow-to-labor-electorates/news-story/77d7c167904243865e6e30fb8d91cc67>
>         https://tinyurl.com/r3s3cyw4
> Multicultural grants jump to $325m as data reveals vast majority flow
> to Labor electorates

Hardly surprising given its a labor govt, fuckwit

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#102507

|> Islamic groups under the guise of multiculturalism
|> <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/multicultural-grants-jump-=
|to-325m-as-data-reveals-vast-majority-flow-to-labor-electorates/news-sto=
|ry/77d7c167904243865e6e30fb8d91cc67>
|>         https://tinyurl.com/r3s3cyw4
|> Multicultural grants jump to $325m as data reveals vast majority flow
|> to Labor electorates
|Hardly surprising given its a labor govt, fuckwit

Verily it is written -- a thief suspects the honest of others.

The question to be answered is -- why dont multicultural communities
vote tory.

Possible answer: they remember last time.

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#102510

On 10/14/26 11:02 AM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> |> Islamic groups under the guise of multiculturalism
> |> <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/multicultural-grants-jump-=
> |to-325m-as-data-reveals-vast-majority-flow-to-labor-electorates/news-sto=
> |ry/77d7c167904243865e6e30fb8d91cc67>
> |>         https://tinyurl.com/r3s3cyw4
> |> Multicultural grants jump to $325m as data reveals vast majority flow
> |> to Labor electorates
> |Hardly surprising given its a labor govt, fuckwit
> 
> Verily it is written -- a thief suspects the honest of others.

Pre-electoral graft is "honest"?

> The question to be answered is -- why dont multicultural communities
> vote tory.
> 
> Possible answer: they remember last time.

Likely answer - they get more 'free stuff' from the other guys.

And:



A Clash of Values vs. Identity Politics

• Individualism vs. Group Identity: Liberal defenders (such as former or 
current MPs) argue that conservative principles—such as small business 
aspiration, lower taxes, hard work, and support for family and religious 
schools—should naturally align with many socially conservative or 
entrepreneurial migrant groups.

• The Disconnect: However, analysts point out that a cultural and 
"values gap" has emerged, where the modern Liberal brand is increasingly 
seen as tied to an older, white, regional demographic, making it harder 
to convert natural social or fiscal conservatism into actual ballots.

• The Inclusivity Priority: Even if a voter likes the Liberal Party's 
pro-business tax cuts, they are far more likely to prioritize a sense of 
social belonging, anti-racism platforms, and being embraced by the 
government.

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#102553

On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 17:02:43 -0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org>
wrote:

>|> Islamic groups under the guise of multiculturalism
>|> <https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/multicultural-grants-jump-=
>|to-325m-as-data-reveals-vast-majority-flow-to-labor-electorates/news-sto=
>|ry/77d7c167904243865e6e30fb8d91cc67>
>|>         https://tinyurl.com/r3s3cyw4
>|> Multicultural grants jump to $325m as data reveals vast majority flow
>|> to Labor electorates
>|Hardly surprising given its a labor govt, fuckwit
>
>Verily it is written -- a thief suspects the honest of others.
>
>The question to be answered is -- why dont multicultural communities
>vote tory.
>
>Possible answer: they remember last time.
>
Multicilrism allows policatil parties rascist bias.
Gough Whitlam bought the term to Australia
Example
Prime Minister Gough Whitlam was sacked on 11 November 1975 by
Governor-General Sir John Kerr

End of the Vietnam War 
Global Conflict End:  April 30F, 1975 (Fall of Saigon).
Election and Order: Whitlam took office on December 5, 1972, and
immediately moved to end military conscription and withdraw the
remaining training and advisory personnel.Final Departure: The
absolute last elements of the Australian military left Vietnam in June
1973

Vietnamese refugees began taking to small boats immediately following
the fall of Saigon in April 1975, with thousands arriving in
neighboring Southeast Asian countries (such as Thailand, Hong Kong,
and Malaysia) before the phenomenon famously caught wider global
attention when the first refugee boat (Kein Giang) successfully sailed
all the way to Darwin Harbour in Australia on 26 April 1976.

Australia: Implemented its first official multicultural policies in
1973 under the Whitlam Government, driven heavily by Immigration
Minister Al Grassby and later shaped by sociologist Jerzy Zubrzycki
Australia fought in the Vietnam War for 10 years, spanning from August
1962 to December 1972.

South Vietnam was Australia's primary ally during the conflict.
 Australian forces fought directly alongside the Army of the Republic
of Vietnam (ARVN) against the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese Army.

Whitlam said on the ABC that Australia did not want “another
­reactionary right-wing minority”. Foreign minister Don Willesee
pleaded with him to take more. Whitlam replied: “I’m not having those
f..king Vietnamese Balts coming into this country with their religious
and political prejudices against us.”

Whitlam opposed the entry of Vietnamese refugees, saying they stirred
no sympathy in him. He added: “There will be some resentment about the
people coming to Australia at a time of unemployment, and also people
from a very different way of life.”

In other words, Whitlam consciously stirred up ethnic and racial
prejudice against Vietnamese ­because he thought they might be
politically hostile to Labor.

Ihe Final Evacuation Contradiction
The final days of the Australian presence in Saigon highlight the
deliberate nature of the policy:
Empty RAAF Planes: When the final Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF)
Hercules transport planes took off from Saigon, they left with dozens
of empty seats. The pilots and embassy staff on the ground wanted to
load them with fleeing Vietnamese allies, but strict, direct orders
from Whitlam’s office prevented them from doing so.

The Contrast with Fraser: The moment Malcolm Fraser took over later
that year, he didn't need new information to act. 
The exact same intelligence briefs were available, but Fraser chose to
act on the moral obligation, immediately launching the rescue
operations that brought the 60,000 refugees to safety.

Australia first accepted Vietnamese refugees by boat on April 26,
1976, when the first unregistered refugee vessel (Kien Giang) sailed
into Darwin Harbour. Small numbers had also arrived earlier in 1975
via specialized evacuations like Operation Babylift, but April 1976
marks the official start of the sustained "boat people" arrivals

The historical consensus is clear: Whitlam was not operating in the
dark. 
He knew exactly what the consequences would be for Australia's allies,
and he chose to let the door slam shut anyway.
Whitlam used the same defence as Göring, tried minimize his personal
awareness or involvement in his mass extermination?
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#102555

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> Multicilrism allows policatil parties rascist bias.

We have always had multiculturalism

> Gough Whitlam bought the term to Australia

Bullshit he did
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_37a4f3c0-8d15-4544-95fc-d284ce483308

> Example
> Prime Minister Gough Whitlam was sacked on 11 November 1975 by
> Governor-General Sir John Kerr

Nothing whatever to do with multiculturalism

> End of the Vietnam War
> Global Conflict End:  April 30F, 1975 (Fall of Saigon).
> Election and Order: Whitlam took office on December 5, 1972, and
> immediately moved to end military conscription and withdraw the
> remaining training and advisory personnel.Final Departure: The
> absolute last elements of the Australian military left Vietnam in June
> 1973

> Vietnamese refugees began taking to small boats immediately following
> the fall of Saigon in April 1975, with thousands arriving in
> neighboring Southeast Asian countries (such as Thailand, Hong Kong,
> and Malaysia) before the phenomenon famously caught wider global
> attention when the first refugee boat (Kein Giang) successfully sailed
> all the way to Darwin Harbour in Australia on 26 April 1976.

We had LOTS of multiculturalism LONG before
that, most obviously the Ming's Columbo Plan

> Australia: Implemented its first official multicultural policies in
> 1973 under the Whitlam Government,

BULLSHIT

Lots of multiculturalism with immigrants LONG before that

> driven heavily by Immigration
> Minister Al Grassby and later shaped by sociologist Jerzy Zubrzycki
> Australia fought in the Vietnam War for 10 years, spanning from August
> 1962 to December 1972.

> South Vietnam was Australia's primary ally during the conflict.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit, the USA was

>  Australian forces fought directly alongside the Army of the Republic
> of Vietnam (ARVN) against the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese Army.

> Whitlam said on the ABC that Australia did not want “another
> reactionary right-wing minority”. Foreign minister Don Willesee
> pleaded with him to take more. Whitlam replied: “I’m not having those
> f..king Vietnamese Balts coming into this country with their religious
> and political prejudices against us.”

> Whitlam opposed the entry of Vietnamese refugees, saying they stirred
> no sympathy in him. He added: “There will be some resentment about the
> people coming to Australia at a time of unemployment, and also people
> from a very different way of life.”

> In other words, Whitlam consciously stirred up ethnic and racial
> prejudice against Vietnamese because he thought they might be
> politically hostile to Labor.

Arfer Caldwell did plenty of that just because he was a racist bigot

> Ihe Final Evacuation Contradiction
> The final days of the Australian presence in Saigon highlight the
> deliberate nature of the policy:
> Empty RAAF Planes: When the final Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF)
> Hercules transport planes took off from Saigon, they left with dozens
> of empty seats.

Because the vietnamese were storming the planes
and there was a real risk of them becoming unamble
to take off due to being grossly overloaded

> The pilots and embassy staff on the ground wanted to
> load them with fleeing Vietnamese allies, but strict, direct orders
> from Whitlam’s office prevented them from doing so.

That last is a bare faced lie

> The Contrast with Fraser: The moment Malcolm Fraser took over later
> that year, he didn't need new information to act.
> The exact same intelligence briefs were available, but Fraser chose to
> act on the moral obligation, immediately launching the rescue
> operations that brought the 60,000 refugees to safety.

> Australia first accepted Vietnamese refugees by boat on April 26,
> 1976, when the first unregistered refugee vessel (Kien Giang) sailed
> into Darwin Harbour. Small numbers had also arrived earlier in 1975
> via specialized evacuations like Operation Babylift, but April 1976
> marks the official start of the sustained "boat people" arrivals

> The historical consensus is clear: Whitlam was not operating in the
> dark.
> He knew exactly what the consequences would be for Australia's allies,
> and he chose to let the door slam shut anyway.

More of your mindless bullshit

> Whitlam used the same defence as Göring, tried minimize his personal
> awareness or involvement in his mass extermination?

There was no mass extermination

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#102556

On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 15:56:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

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So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

Rod Speed a annoying  Australian can type faster than you can talk
Best to ignore or he will continue to bait you
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