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Re: 15 million fools

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On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 02:52:37 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 20:46:25 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 03:41:41 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:00:40 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 03:36:45 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:11:41 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I've never heard anyone say "runned".  I've also never heard anyone
>>>>>
>>>>>    I hear it more and more - and from more 'educated' people - as
>>>>>    time goes on. It's "Blinglish' ... American "Black English", a sort
>>>>>    of pigin where non-speakers learned a language quickly and
>>>>>    skipped the more subtle rules. That which did happen often has
>>>>>    "-ed" at the end, so "run"/"runned", "sit"/"sitted" ... the simple
>>>>>    rule applied to everything. Mass exposure then leads to mass
>>>>>    usage.
>>>>
>>>> From someone who doesn't speak much English, someone here on
>>>> holiday maybe, but I don't expect it from anyone who speaks English
>>>> everyday.
>>>
>>>    The internet does have the ability to educate - it's not ALL porn.
>>>
>>>    So find on-the-street news coverage, say of the "Black Lives
>>>    Matter" demonstrations. Street interviews will reveal the local
>>>    lingo - and it is as I've said. The professional newscasters try
>>>    to keep it more formal, but even they might say "runned" or
>>>    "hitted" or "shooted" if they are "live" and do not have time
>>>    to mentally edit their speech.
>>
>> Ah, blacks.
>
>
>    There are also pidgins amongst the "Spanish" subcultures
>    (Mexican isn't Guatamalan isn't Cuban isn't Puerto Rican)
>    and the longer-established asian enclaves. 'Cajun'/Acadian
>    "Fringlish" permeates much of the state of Louisiana as well.
>    The sheer size of the USA allowed immigrants from many
>    nations to form partial enclaves where the Queens english
>    mixed with the local lingo in odd and interesting ways.
>   Hmm ... is there "Hindglish" - Hindi-English - in the UK ? Lots
>    of immigrants from there, held partially segregated for
>    racial & class reasons for over 100 years .... bound to be
>    some interesting words and grammar ......

Hindis here speak very clearly and use proper English, but leave no spaces between the words.  Easy to understand if you can prevent yourself from laughing.

>>>>>> say "pled" if that's even a word.  What would you say instead of pleaded?
>>>>>
>>>>>    "Mr. Fracas was brought before a judge and pled 'not guilty'
>>>>>    to the charges ..... "
>>>>>
>>>>>    In 1960s America that would have been the most common way
>>>>>    of stating that in the news. Today it's "pleaded".
>>>>
>>>> If someone said pled now I'd fall about laughing.  In fact my newsreader has underlined it in red.
>>>>
>>>>>> A word that annoys me is "dove".  Not dove the bird, but dove as in past tense if dive, pronounced like cove.
>>>>>
>>>>>    You want "dived" ?
>>>>>
>>>>>    "Dove" is another irregular verb ... that's going away.
>>>>>
>>>>>    But if you want to sound smart you say "dove"  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>    50 years from now however, will anybody even understand
>>>>>    if you say "dove" ? It may be like the language of the Bard,
>>>>>    pretty but obsolete. Can you really appreciate Hamlet if
>>>>>    you cannot follow the meter and rhythm and play of his
>>>>>    obsolete words ??? Those were far richer plays to even
>>>>>    the common folk of his day than they are to the educated
>>>>>    class of today.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't dove an Americanism like aluminum?
>>>
>>>    I am unaware of its full extent. I've definitely heard the
>>>    word on BBC television - news and entertainment - so
>>>    "dove" has made it back to the motherland.
>>
>> The BBC is no longer what it once was.
>
>    Maybe ... but it's still a cut above any American news/culture
>    programming. Americans have a very short attention span
>    and despise "egghead" discussions. A practical, blue-collar,
>    black & white novelty-loving culture. Car crashes, police
>    chases and  "Funniest Home Videos" reign supreme.

:-)

>    Ah ... an episode of "Dr. Who" sometime last year ... the MI-6
>    lady tells another why they've kept a time-travel device secret
>    from the Americans ... "Well, you've seen their movies !"  :-)
>
>>>    It will surely filter down to all speakers from there. Frankly
>>>    I think it sounds more educated than "dived" and is
>>>    more specific than "jumped".
>>
>> Would you say jove for the past tense of jive?  Love for the past tense of live?
>
>    There's a reason irregular verbs are called "irregular".
>    Conventions, homegrown or imported, that just stuck,
>    likely because somebody important used them. They
>    do not follow from any "rule".

Some just sound silly and should not be used under any circumstances :-)

>>>    "Aluminum" isn't an Americanism per-se .... the
>>>    PRONUNCIATION is. Americans say "Ah-LOOM-
>>>    uh-num" while Brits (and surely those in Oz and
>>>    NZ) say "Al-You-MIN-ee-um". The latter really
>>>    does seem to sound better with a "British accent".
>>>    From the spelling, the British form also seems
>>>    more correct. Sharp/crisp-sounding words do
>>>    tend to "soften" with time and distance ... become
>>>    more "vowely".
>>
>> The spell it different aswell as pronounce it different.
>
>    "Colour" -vs- "color" ? Americans are lazy too, we tend
>    to drop "useless" letters  :-)

You're not lazy when it comes to eating!

-- 
My sister-in-law sat on my glasses and broke them.  It was my own fault.  I should have taken them off.

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          Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-01 21:54 -0500
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      Re: 15 million fools Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-01 18:12 +1100
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                Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-03 17:40 -0500
                Re: 15 million fools Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-04 10:13 +1100
                Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-05 16:43 -0500
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                Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-04 17:58 -0500
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