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| From | "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage, misc.writing, soc.culture.usa, talk.politics.misc |
| Subject | Re: 15 million fools |
| Date | 2016-01-01 11:00 +0000 |
| Organization | . |
| Message-ID | <op.yaj3jej286ebyl@red.lan> (permalink) |
| References | (1 earlier) <20151230Zy6XyMo56y@FuTC> <op.yag1g7dj86ebyl@red.lan> <7d798b9271lhug8832vd88co16n01aabmi@4ax.com> <op.yaip1rv486ebyl@red.lan> <7vqb8b95jor48901lu05sihhlpnvff4i8j@4ax.com> |
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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 03:36:45 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote: > On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:11:41 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:19:07 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:23:21 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:58:53 -0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj <alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <op.yagzluoy86ebyl@red.lan>, >>>>> "Mr Macaw" <n...@spam.com> posted: >>>>>> >>>>>> 15 million people have spelt length as lenght on the >>>>>> internet, and they actually think it's correct, not just >>>>>> a typo! >>>>> >>>>> "spelt" >>>>> about 12,700,000 search results. >>>>> >>>>> "spelled" >>>>> about 50,500,000 search results. >>>> >>>> Those are both words, with a subtle difference not many people care about. In my example, lenght is not a word. >>> >>> "Spelt" is English english. "Spelled" is more the American version. >> >> No. Plenty friends here in the UK use spelled and say it's "correct". > > If you bring up an American news source, look for stories > about people who were arrested by the police, you will > almost always see the word "pleaded" - guilty or innocent - > when he appeared before the judge. The use of "pled" is > increasingly rare. > > Our dictionaries say "pleaded" and "pled" are both correct. > > But I don't think so. Pled is rare because it isn't a word, any more than I jamp over the wall. >> It's a different form of the word to spelt, like burned and burnt. But I only acknowledge ONE past tense. > > The tree burned - active, present tense (even if describing > a past incident as if you were actually there as a witness). > > The tree burnt - probably should be "was burnt" - passive, > static, the aftermath. > > The difference is subtle. The difference may also be irrelevant > to the future of the language. In an age of handwritten letters > and literature most often written by the upper classes for the > upper classes readers had the time to muse on the more > subtle aspects of language and grammar. Todays world is > overloaded with communications and there is an emphasis > on transmitting the most data in the least time. The 1800's, > quality, the 2000's, quantity. I suppose TextSpeak is the > ultimate example of this trend. > > Expect subtly different words like "burned" -vs- "burnt" or > "pled" -vs- "pleaded" or "spelt" -vs- "spelled" to disappear > as the trend towards a simpler, more standard, more > compact, version of the language continues. As far as I'm concerned, the subtle difference is so small that it's completely unimportant. Not worth stopping to think which it is. >>> "Pleaded" and "runned" are American 'Blinglish' ... the slow death >>> of the irregular verb. >> >> I've never heard anyone say "runned". I've also never heard anyone > > I hear it more and more - and from more 'educated' people - as > time goes on. It's "Blinglish' ... American "Black English", a sort > of pigin where non-speakers learned a language quickly and > skipped the more subtle rules. That which did happen often has > "-ed" at the end, so "run"/"runned", "sit"/"sitted" ... the simple > rule applied to everything. Mass exposure then leads to mass > usage. From someone who doesn't speak much English, someone here on holiday maybe, but I don't expect it from anyone who speaks English everyday. >> say "pled" if that's even a word. What would you say instead of pleaded? > > "Mr. Fracas was brought before a judge and pled 'not guilty' > to the charges ..... " > > In 1960s America that would have been the most common way > of stating that in the news. Today it's "pleaded". If someone said pled now I'd fall about laughing. In fact my newsreader has underlined it in red. >> A word that annoys me is "dove". Not dove the bird, but dove as in past tense if dive, pronounced like cove. > > You want "dived" ? > > "Dove" is another irregular verb ... that's going away. > > But if you want to sound smart you say "dove" :-) > > 50 years from now however, will anybody even understand > if you say "dove" ? It may be like the language of the Bard, > pretty but obsolete. Can you really appreciate Hamlet if > you cannot follow the meter and rhythm and play of his > obsolete words ??? Those were far richer plays to even > the common folk of his day than they are to the educated > class of today. Isn't dove an Americanism like aluminum? -- ADULT: A person who has stopped growing at both ends and is now growing in the middle.
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Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-01 12:57 -0800
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Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-01 22:41 -0500
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Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-02 21:52 -0500
Re: 15 million fools RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-02 22:03 -0700
Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-02 21:48 -0800
Re: 15 million fools Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-03 17:34 +1100
Re: 15 million fools Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2016-01-03 11:31 +0000
Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-03 17:40 -0500
Re: 15 million fools Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-04 10:13 +1100
Re: 15 million fools Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 16:15 -0800
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Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 04:19 -0800
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