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| From | "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage, misc.writing, soc.culture.usa, talk.politics.misc |
| Subject | Re: 15 million fools |
| Date | 2016-01-04 17:21 +0000 |
| Organization | . |
| Message-ID | <op.yap45mm086ebyl@red.lan> (permalink) |
| References | (10 earlier) <lc3h8bhdinj53mfj4dkkqdt4adj926rnrv@4ax.com> <op.yan67jkh86ebyl@red.lan> <km6j8bdldoq4307ioqdpromku2frpqjvj5@4ax.com> <op.yaot3ywq86ebyl@red.lan> <4i6l8bd8asvt45mp9gsk6o9crligb2hq06@4ax.com> |
Cross-posted to 5 groups.
On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 16:56:05 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote: > On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 00:25:00 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 22:32:07 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 16:10:21 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 02:55:55 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 20:44:09 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 02:54:33 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 14:57:35 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 03:00:40 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:12:47 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:22:33 -0000, James Hogg <Jas.Hogg@goutmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mr. B1ack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:23:21 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:58:53 -0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj <alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <op.yagzluoy86ebyl@red.lan>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mr Macaw" <n...@spam.com> posted: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 million people have spelt length as lenght on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet, and they actually think it's correct, not just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a typo! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "spelt" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 12,700,000 search results. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "spelled" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 50,500,000 search results. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Those are both words, with a subtle difference not many people care about. In my example, lenght is not a word. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Spelt" is English english. "Spelled" is more the American version. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Pleaded" and "runned" are American 'Blinglish' ... the slow death >>>>>>>>>>>> of the irregular verb. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some American dove in and rescued it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm never sure if I'd rescue someone from drowning. If I do, it shows >>>>>>>>>> I'm braver than all the other pathetic people stood watching. But.... the >>>>>>>>>> guy drowning should have learnt to swim properly, so why should I >>>>>>>>>> save him? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tisk ... all about YOU ....... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Seems you were never schooled in the Golden Rule, the >>>>>>>>> foundation of ethics - empathy 101. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you have empathy for an idiot ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually, idiots need the MOST empathy ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Nobody needs empathy. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you see someone deliberately doing something stupid and >>>>>>>> about to kill himself, would you stop him? Why? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because there's hope for improvement. >>>>>> >>>>>> Improvement is getting rid of the idiots. If they want to do that themselves, then why don't you have a jolly good laugh while they're doing it, then enjoy life without them in future? >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why does the world need him alive? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because he has moral worth. >>>>>> >>>>>> Morals achieve nothing. >>>>> >>>>> I'll mark you down as a Donald Trump voter. >>>> >>>> I would if I was in America. It's almost 50% voting for him in the polls I looked at. >>> >>> >>> Mussolini was popular too. >>> >>> Blend nationalism, xenophobia, paranoia and >>> "simple solutions" together and you too can >>> become the next Great Dictator. >>> >>> Oh, and that's 50% IN HIS POLITICAL PARTY. >>> It remains to be seen if that'd translate into >>> 50% in the general election. >>> >>> An added kink is that US elections aren't won by >>> direct popular vote ... entire states are won or lost >>> and then contribute their share of "electoral votes" >>> (cast by special reps called "electors"). Our "big" >>> states ... California, New York, Florida ... have so >>> many electoral votes that they are "must wins" for >>> anybody seeking the presidency. >>> >>> California and New York are pretty damned "left- >>> wing". Trump is not. >>> >>> So, it is possible to get the majority of the popular >>> votes yet still lose the election. I think this happened >>> to Al Gore when he ran against (GW) Bush. >>> >>> This "electoral college" system was implemented at >>> the very beginning because so many in the 1780s were >>> illiterate, ill-informed, uneducated, easily-misled >>> farmhands and the idea was to insert a layer of >>> smarter people between them and whomever would >>> be president. It also increased the political clout of >>> a few "important" states. >>> >>> An 'elector' doesn't HAVE to abide by the popular vote ... >>> so they are a sort of emergency device to block would-be >>> Mussolinis riding a wave of irrational public zeal. >>> >>> Americans are STILL suboptimally-literate, ill-informed, >>> under-educated and easily misled ... though far less >>> likely to be farmhands. If Trump wins the popular vote >>> this may be the first time since the Founding that the >>> electors actually intervene in a serious manner. It >>> would cause chaos though of course, maybe even >>> some sort of coup. >>> >>> We shall see. >>> >>> As horrible as Trump is though, he's STILL preferable >>> to Mrs. Clinton. The march of ultraleft idiocy has gone >>> too far and Trump would send it crying home to mama. >>> Of course, add 25 years or so, and the right-wing idiocy >>> level will become objectionable once again ..... nobody >>> seems happy with the sensible center. >> >> In another words, America is no more of a democracy than the UK. > > Correct ... especially when it comes to electing > a president. > > The legislative branches ... those representatives > are choosen by direct, simple, majority vote. No > one senator or congresscritter has as much > authority as the president however, so I suppose > it's "safe" to do a straight-up vote for them. John > McCain cannot order the armed forces to bomb > Iran no matter HOW much he'd like it to happen. > > There are no "pure democracies" in the world. Even > the classical Athenian experiment with that didn't > last very long. Plato was correct when he called > democracy a "degenerate system" - it's is a very > bad idea to give the uninformed rabble direct > and detailed control. What a stupid viewpoint. You're basically saying "don't let other peoples' votes count because they aren't as clever as me". Nobody has the right to say that. > Our respective "representative" systems are intended > to alleviate the potential problems of "pure" democracy ... > but I think they introduce new routes of abuse/corruption. > Also, since the invention of the instant opinion poll, > representative systems tend to manifest some of the > problems of "pure" democracy as politicians try to please > all the people all of the time. > >> Who has the right to say the majority of the population >> isn't clever enough to vote ? > > In our case it was the Founders themselves. They > were very clever men ... and I think honest about > their citizens and wise about human nature. The > more power vested in an individual, the more layers > of insulation required between him and Joe Citizen. Hmph! Founders indeed. You wrote a decent constitution, then completely ignored it by amending it several times! > Now in the UK style of government the position of > the PM is not anything the citizens get to vote on > directly, if I understand correctly. They elect reps > from their favorite parties and the reps of the > majority party select a PM from their ranks. This > makes those party reps somewhat equivalent > to our "electors" ... an extra layer of indirection > between citizen and highest executive. Yip, a right farce. What's worse is the number of representatives (MPs) is often nothing like the number of people that voted for that party. For example UKIP got three times the number of votes as SNP, yet SNP got fifty times more MPs! >> The majority MUST decide what happens, or it's not >> a democracy. > > As I pointed out, there ARE NO "democracies" ... > variants of "republics" instead. There should be. >> Those people "inserting a layer of smarter people" >> just THINK they're smarter. > > In the 1780s "electors" really WOULD have been > choosen from the "smarter", better-educated, > subportion of the population. With a broader, > more worldly view and likely training in "liberal > arts" - including logic, philosophy and maybe > theology - when it came to running a country > properly, they would be the better choice. > > In the 2000s ... um .... I still too often see where > Joe Citizen is lacking. Even worse it's become a > much "bigger world", a much more politically and > economically complicated world, since the 1700s. > Joe Citizen has not risen to the challenge. Even > the internet hasn't helped ... simply added a larger > volume of mis/dis-information. > > Alas the "better" people you would want to be your > representatives, presidents and electors also have > fallen behind the proverbial curve. Statesmen are > few ... self-serving, self-absorbed, myopic pinheads > are far more common. There is little difference > now between "better" and the rabble and thus > bad decisions have increased. > > Thinking about it all, clearly there IS NO "perfect" > system, no "perfect" form or shape of government. > Nothing even close to "perfect". We get a choice > between "horrible" and "not QUITE so horrible". > A large part of this problem is inescapable - it > is *people* - 8 billion constantly-mutating notions > of the way things ought to be. We are a species > that actually enjoys congitive dissonance and > believing six impossible things before breakfast. > > So, until the Robot Overlords arrive, we're just stuck. The "masses" must have more choice, it's that simple. -- If you refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to liquor, you may be a Muslim.
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