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Re: 15 million fools

From "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage, misc.writing, soc.culture.usa, talk.politics.misc
Subject Re: 15 million fools
Date 2016-01-02 20:46 +0000
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On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 03:41:41 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:00:40 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 03:36:45 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:11:41 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>>>
>
>>>> I've never heard anyone say "runned".  I've also never heard anyone
>>>
>>>    I hear it more and more - and from more 'educated' people - as
>>>    time goes on. It's "Blinglish' ... American "Black English", a sort
>>>    of pigin where non-speakers learned a language quickly and
>>>    skipped the more subtle rules. That which did happen often has
>>>    "-ed" at the end, so "run"/"runned", "sit"/"sitted" ... the simple
>>>    rule applied to everything. Mass exposure then leads to mass
>>>    usage.
>>
>> From someone who doesn't speak much English, someone here on
>> holiday maybe, but I don't expect it from anyone who speaks English
>> everyday.
>
>    The internet does have the ability to educate - it's not ALL porn.
>
>    So find on-the-street news coverage, say of the "Black Lives
>    Matter" demonstrations. Street interviews will reveal the local
>    lingo - and it is as I've said. The professional newscasters try
>    to keep it more formal, but even they might say "runned" or
>    "hitted" or "shooted" if they are "live" and do not have time
>    to mentally edit their speech.

Ah, blacks.

>>>> say "pled" if that's even a word.  What would you say instead of pleaded?
>>>
>>>    "Mr. Fracas was brought before a judge and pled 'not guilty'
>>>    to the charges ..... "
>>>
>>>    In 1960s America that would have been the most common way
>>>    of stating that in the news. Today it's "pleaded".
>>
>> If someone said pled now I'd fall about laughing.  In fact my newsreader has underlined it in red.
>>
>>>> A word that annoys me is "dove".  Not dove the bird, but dove as in past tense if dive, pronounced like cove.
>>>
>>>    You want "dived" ?
>>>
>>>    "Dove" is another irregular verb ... that's going away.
>>>
>>>    But if you want to sound smart you say "dove"  :-)
>>>
>>>    50 years from now however, will anybody even understand
>>>    if you say "dove" ? It may be like the language of the Bard,
>>>    pretty but obsolete. Can you really appreciate Hamlet if
>>>    you cannot follow the meter and rhythm and play of his
>>>    obsolete words ??? Those were far richer plays to even
>>>    the common folk of his day than they are to the educated
>>>    class of today.
>>
>> Isn't dove an Americanism like aluminum?
>
>    I am unaware of its full extent. I've definitely heard the
>    word on BBC television - news and entertainment - so
>    "dove" has made it back to the motherland.

The BBC is no longer what it once was.

>    It will surely filter down to all speakers from there. Frankly
>    I think it sounds more educated than "dived" and is
>    more specific than "jumped".

Would you say jove for the past tense of jive?  Love for the past tense of live?

>    "Aluminum" isn't an Americanism per-se .... the
>    PRONUNCIATION is. Americans say "Ah-LOOM-
>    uh-num" while Brits (and surely those in Oz and
>    NZ) say "Al-You-MIN-ee-um". The latter really
>    does seem to sound better with a "British accent".
>    From the spelling, the British form also seems
>    more correct. Sharp/crisp-sounding words do
>    tend to "soften" with time and distance ... become
>    more "vowely".

The spell it different aswell as pronounce it different.

-- 
This guy's in the rear of a full elevator and he shouts, "Ballroom please."
A lady standing in front of him turns around and says, "I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was crowding you."

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                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-04 19:14 +0000
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                Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 07:12 -0800
                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-06 00:14 +0000
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              Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-01 21:52 -0500
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      Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2015-12-31 22:36 -0500
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            Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-01 19:54 +0000
              Re: 15 million fools Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2016-01-01 12:27 -0800
                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-01 20:34 +0000
            Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-01 12:57 -0800
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            Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-02 20:46 +0000
              Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-02 21:52 -0500
                Re: 15 million fools RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-02 22:03 -0700
                Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-02 21:48 -0800
                Re: 15 million fools Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-03 17:34 +1100
                Re: 15 million fools Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2016-01-03 11:31 +0000
                Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-03 17:40 -0500
                Re: 15 million fools Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-04 10:13 +1100
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                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-03 18:36 +0000
                Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-03 11:11 -0800
                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-03 19:28 +0000
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                Re: 15 million fools GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-04 09:13 +0000
                Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 04:17 -0800
                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-04 19:16 +0000
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                Re: 15 million fools GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-05 10:24 +0000
                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-06 00:13 +0000
                Re: 15 million fools GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 13:42 +0000
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                Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 04:19 -0800
                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-04 19:16 +0000
                Re: 15 million fools "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 11:58 -0800
                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-04 23:30 +0000
                Re: 15 million fools charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2016-01-04 20:02 +0000
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