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Re: Told you so

From Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de>
Newsgroups ger.ct
Subject Re: Told you so
Date 2017-04-30 09:35 +0200
Message-ID <emlie4FlutsU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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Am 30.04.2017 um 08:12 schrieb Gerrit Heitsch:
> On 04/30/2017 12:12 AM, Martin Gerdes wrote:
>> Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> schrieb:
>>
>>>> Wirklich feuchte Höschen bekommen beim Gedanken an eine bargeldlose
>>>> Welt
>>>> momentan die Banker, die gerne Negativzinsen an ihre (Privat-) Kunden
>>>> weitergeben würden
>>
>>> ... und gern an jedem Bezahlvorgang eine kleine Gebühr abzwacken
>>> möchten.
>>> Eben eine Finanztransaktionssteuer, nur dass die nicht die treffen wird,
>>> die mit großen Beträgen zocken, sondern Ottilie Normalverbraucherin.
>>
>> Im Grunde ist dagegen ja nichts einzuwenden, die dahinterstehende
>> Dienstleistung ist ja offenbar.
> 
> Ja, es ist aber eine Dienstleistung an der man nicht mehr vorbeikommt
> und um die man nicht gebeten hat. Im Moment kann ich mit Bargeld zahlen
> und damit diese Gebühr umgehen.
> 
> 
>> Nur starrsinnige alte Leute stehen auf Bargeld.
> 
> Oder auch Leute die nicht wollen, daß jeder ihrer Einkäufe
> nachverfolgbar ist.

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Told you so (was: Re: Flug 9525: Das iPhone war's) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-28 22:04 +0200
  Re: Told you so (was: Re: Flug 9525: Das iPhone war's) Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 20:18 +0000
    Re: Told you so Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-28 22:32 +0200
      Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 23:11 +0200
        Re: Told you so Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-28 23:36 +0200
          Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 23:48 +0200
            Re: Told you so Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-29 00:00 +0200
            Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 00:06 +0200
              Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-29 06:03 +0000
        Re: Told you so Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2017-04-29 00:33 +0200
    Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-28 23:30 +0200
      Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 23:50 +0200
        Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 00:16 +0200
  Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-28 23:26 +0200
    Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-28 21:37 +0000
    Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 23:41 +0200
      Re: Told you so Heiner Hass <heinerh@gmx.net> - 2017-04-28 23:59 +0200
      Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 00:36 +0200
        Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-29 08:35 +0200
        Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-29 08:48 +0200
          Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 09:47 +0200
            Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-29 08:58 +0000
              Re: Told you so Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-04-29 12:19 +0200
                Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-29 10:47 +0000
                Re: Told you so Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-04-29 14:32 +0200
                Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-29 12:57 +0000
                Re: Told you so Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2017-04-29 14:51 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 00:22 -0700
                Re: Told you so Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2017-04-30 07:32 +0000
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 04:36 -0700
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-04-29 16:08 +0200
                Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 16:20 +0200
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-04-29 16:46 +0200
                Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-29 15:02 +0000
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-04-29 17:25 +0200
                Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 00:12 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-04-30 08:12 +0200
                Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-30 09:35 +0200
                Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-30 07:46 +0000
                Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-30 10:11 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 04:43 -0700
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-04-30 09:40 +0200
                Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-30 08:02 +0000
                Re: Told you so spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2017-05-04 10:20 +0200
                Re: Told you so Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2017-05-04 12:34 +0200
                Re: Told you so Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2017-05-04 12:47 +0200
                Re: Told you so Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2017-05-04 18:29 +0200
                Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-04 17:22 +0000
                Re: Told you so Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-04 19:50 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-04-30 12:26 +0000
                Re: Told you so spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2017-05-04 10:20 +0200
                Re: Told you so Hartmut Ott <hottm@arcor.de> - 2017-04-30 15:08 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 11:43 +0200
                Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 11:57 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 12:07 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 03:18 -0700
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 12:23 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 03:37 -0700
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 12:59 +0200
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 13:54 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 14:03 +0200
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 14:15 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 14:25 +0200
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 14:47 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 14:58 +0200
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 15:20 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:27 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:56 +0200
                Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-04 20:53 +0000
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-05 07:38 +0200
                Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-04 20:55 +0000
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-05 07:40 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-05 09:50 +0000
                Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-05 16:32 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-05 15:04 +0000
                Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 22:38 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 14:16 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 05:32 -0700
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 14:35 +0200
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-02 19:12 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 19:39 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 19:51 +0200
                Re: Told you so Wolfgang  Εnzinger <we_usenet@nurfuerspam.de> - 2017-05-03 10:31 +0200
                Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-03 17:29 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-03 19:18 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-03 19:34 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-04 00:00 -0700
                Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-04 21:14 +0000
                Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-04 21:08 +0000
                Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-05 06:10 +0000
                Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-05 17:35 +0000
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 19:50 +0200
                Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-03 12:55 +0200
                Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-03 11:09 +0000
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-03 04:33 -0700
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 12:44 +0000
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:03 +0200
                Re: Told you so Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:43 +0000
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:53 +0200
                Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-01 16:42 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 16:49 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 17:43 +0200
                Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-01 15:58 +0000
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 19:17 +0200
                Re: Told you so Wolfgang  Εnzinger <we_usenet@nurfuerspam.de> - 2017-05-01 19:45 +0200
                Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 16:46 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 17:18 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 19:42 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 19:49 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 22:30 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-03 09:11 +0200
                Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-03 12:55 +0200
                Re: Told you so Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2017-05-04 18:35 +0200
                Re: Told you so Wolfgang  Εnzinger <we_usenet@nurfuerspam.de> - 2017-05-03 10:31 +0200
                Re: Told you so Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2017-05-01 18:15 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 18:19 +0200
                Re: Told you so Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2017-05-01 18:31 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 18:38 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 19:10 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 19:19 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 20:10 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 19:03 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 16:53 +0000
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:51 +0000
                Re: Told you so Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-05-01 15:51 +0200
                Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-01 16:40 +0200
                Re: Told you so Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2017-05-01 18:18 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:53 +0200
                Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-01 16:39 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:40 +0000
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:51 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:58 +0000
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 16:04 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 14:21 +0000
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:50 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:59 +0000
                Re: Told you so Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-05-01 16:07 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 14:28 +0000
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 17:39 +0200
                Re: Told you so Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 16:25 +0200
                Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 22:20 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:02 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:34 -0700
                Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 12:41 +0200
                Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-01 13:01 +0000
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:09 +0200
                Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 15:54 +0200
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:57 +0200
                Re: Told you so Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 16:28 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 16:05 +0200
                Re: Told you so Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:25 +0000
                Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 14:30 +0000
                Re: Told you so Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:41 +0000
                Re: Told you so "Alex S." <alexs.nospam@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 14:33 +0000
                Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-01 19:06 +0000
                Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 21:11 +0200
                Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 22:22 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:42 -0700
                Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-02 05:22 +0000
                Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 12:23 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 12:57 +0200
                Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 13:30 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:04 +0200
                Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 21:54 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 03:15 -0700
                Re: Told you so Siegfried Blos <Siegfried.Blos@siemens.com> - 2017-05-05 10:29 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 11:39 +0200
                Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:50 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:13 +0200
                Re: Told you so "Alex S." <alexs.nospam@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 14:33 +0000
                Re: Told you so spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2017-05-04 10:20 +0200
                Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 00:15 -0700
              Re: Told you so Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-29 16:42 +0200
                Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-29 14:46 +0000
            Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 11:26 +0200
              Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 12:20 +0200
                Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 12:53 +0200
                Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 13:40 +0200
                Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-05-01 13:37 +0200
                Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 13:43 +0200
                Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-05-01 13:58 +0200
                Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 14:52 +0200
                Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 22:38 +0200
                Re: Told you so "Alex S." <alexs.nospam@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 14:33 +0000
    Re: Told you so Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2017-04-29 14:51 +0200
      Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 00:12 +0200
  Re: Told you so (was: Re: Flug 9525: Das iPhone war's) Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-04-29 12:10 +0200
    Re: Told you so Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2017-04-30 09:27 +0200

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