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| From | Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | ger.ct |
| Subject | Re: Told you so |
| Date | 2017-04-28 23:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <emhqvaFnl3U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <mf9jan$u8$1@news.albasani.net> <emhlikFu621U1@mid.individual.net> <oe081t$68c$1@news.albasani.net> <emhn72FfqU1@mid.individual.net> <oe0b6p$stm$1@news.albasani.net> |
Am 28.04.2017 um 23:11 schrieb Dr. Joachim Neudert: > Das Vier-Augen-Prinzip. Kennst du den Unterschied zwischen einer Und- und einer Oder-Verknüpfung? Offenbar nicht. Das Vier-Augen-Prinzip hilft dann, wenn du beide Personen zur Entscheidung brauchst, also eine Person etwas verhindern kann. Das ist eine Und-Verknüpfung. Wenn jede Person im Cockpit das Flugzeug zum Absturz bringen kann, ist das eine Oder-Verknüpfung. Und dann erhöht jede weitere Person, die im Cockpit ist, bzw. sein muß, das Risiko. Insbesondere, wenn sie mangels Qualifikation (Saftschubse kann kein Flugzeug steuern) nicht mal theoretisch was verhindern könnte. > In den USA mussten sowohl der Commanding Officer als auch der Executive > Officer den Befehl zum Einsatz von Atomwaffen authentifizieren, auf > sowjetischen U-Booten übernahmen diese Aufgabe der Kommandant und der > Politoffizier. Das ist eine Und-Verknüpfung. Du brauchst aber nicht zwei Leute, um ein Flugzeug zum Absturz zu bringen. > Aber in der kommerziellen europäischen Zivil-Luftfahrt? > > "Naah... ein zweiter Mann erhöht doch nur das Risiko, daß ein > Krimineller oder Verrückter im Cockpit drin ist". Das ist eine Oder-Verknüpfung, da zwei Sekunden reichen, das Flugzeug unwiederbringlich zum Absturz zu bringen, was jeder der Anwesenden veranlassen, und der andere nichts dagegen tun kann. Du siehst den Unterschied? (OK, sorry, rhetorische Frage.) Hanno
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Told you so (was: Re: Flug 9525: Das iPhone war's) Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-28 22:04 +0200
Re: Told you so (was: Re: Flug 9525: Das iPhone war's) Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 20:18 +0000
Re: Told you so Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-28 22:32 +0200
Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 23:11 +0200
Re: Told you so Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-28 23:36 +0200
Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 23:48 +0200
Re: Told you so Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-29 00:00 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 00:06 +0200
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-29 06:03 +0000
Re: Told you so Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2017-04-29 00:33 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-28 23:30 +0200
Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 23:50 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 00:16 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-28 23:26 +0200
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-28 21:37 +0000
Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-28 23:41 +0200
Re: Told you so Heiner Hass <heinerh@gmx.net> - 2017-04-28 23:59 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 00:36 +0200
Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-29 08:35 +0200
Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-29 08:48 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 09:47 +0200
Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-29 08:58 +0000
Re: Told you so Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-04-29 12:19 +0200
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-29 10:47 +0000
Re: Told you so Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-04-29 14:32 +0200
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-29 12:57 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2017-04-29 14:51 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 00:22 -0700
Re: Told you so Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2017-04-30 07:32 +0000
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 04:36 -0700
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-04-29 16:08 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-29 16:20 +0200
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-04-29 16:46 +0200
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-29 15:02 +0000
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-04-29 17:25 +0200
Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 00:12 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-04-30 08:12 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-30 09:35 +0200
Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-30 07:46 +0000
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-04-30 10:11 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 04:43 -0700
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-04-30 09:40 +0200
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-04-30 08:02 +0000
Re: Told you so spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2017-05-04 10:20 +0200
Re: Told you so Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2017-05-04 12:34 +0200
Re: Told you so Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2017-05-04 12:47 +0200
Re: Told you so Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2017-05-04 18:29 +0200
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-04 17:22 +0000
Re: Told you so Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-04 19:50 +0200
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-04-30 12:26 +0000
Re: Told you so spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2017-05-04 10:20 +0200
Re: Told you so Hartmut Ott <hottm@arcor.de> - 2017-04-30 15:08 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 11:43 +0200
Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 11:57 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 12:07 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 03:18 -0700
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 12:23 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 03:37 -0700
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 12:59 +0200
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 13:54 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 14:03 +0200
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 14:15 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 14:25 +0200
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 14:47 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 14:58 +0200
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 15:20 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:27 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:56 +0200
Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-04 20:53 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-05 07:38 +0200
Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-04 20:55 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-05 07:40 +0200
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-05 09:50 +0000
Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-05 16:32 +0200
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-05 15:04 +0000
Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 22:38 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 14:16 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 05:32 -0700
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 14:35 +0200
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-02 19:12 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 19:39 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 19:51 +0200
Re: Told you so Wolfgang Εnzinger <we_usenet@nurfuerspam.de> - 2017-05-03 10:31 +0200
Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-03 17:29 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-03 19:18 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-03 19:34 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-04 00:00 -0700
Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-04 21:14 +0000
Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-04 21:08 +0000
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-05 06:10 +0000
Re: Told you so v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2017-05-05 17:35 +0000
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 19:50 +0200
Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-03 12:55 +0200
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-03 11:09 +0000
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-03 04:33 -0700
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 12:44 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:03 +0200
Re: Told you so Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:43 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:53 +0200
Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-01 16:42 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 16:49 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 17:43 +0200
Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-01 15:58 +0000
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 19:17 +0200
Re: Told you so Wolfgang Εnzinger <we_usenet@nurfuerspam.de> - 2017-05-01 19:45 +0200
Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 16:46 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 17:18 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 19:42 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-02 19:49 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-02 22:30 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-03 09:11 +0200
Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-03 12:55 +0200
Re: Told you so Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2017-05-04 18:35 +0200
Re: Told you so Wolfgang Εnzinger <we_usenet@nurfuerspam.de> - 2017-05-03 10:31 +0200
Re: Told you so Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2017-05-01 18:15 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 18:19 +0200
Re: Told you so Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2017-05-01 18:31 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 18:38 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 19:10 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 19:19 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 20:10 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 19:03 +0200
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 16:53 +0000
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:51 +0000
Re: Told you so Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-05-01 15:51 +0200
Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-01 16:40 +0200
Re: Told you so Ricardo Szabo <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2017-05-01 18:18 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:53 +0200
Re: Told you so "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-01 16:39 +0200
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:51 +0200
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:58 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 16:04 +0200
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 14:21 +0000
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:50 +0200
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 13:59 +0000
Re: Told you so Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-05-01 16:07 +0200
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 14:28 +0000
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 17:39 +0200
Re: Told you so Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 16:25 +0200
Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 22:20 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:02 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:34 -0700
Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 12:41 +0200
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-01 13:01 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:09 +0200
Re: Told you so Diedrich Ehlerding <diedrich.ehlerding@t-online.de> - 2017-05-01 15:54 +0200
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 15:57 +0200
Re: Told you so Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 16:28 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 16:05 +0200
Re: Told you so Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:25 +0000
Re: Told you so Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2017-05-01 14:30 +0000
Re: Told you so Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:41 +0000
Re: Told you so "Alex S." <alexs.nospam@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 14:33 +0000
Re: Told you so Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2017-05-01 19:06 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2017-05-01 21:11 +0200
Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 22:22 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:42 -0700
Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-05-02 05:22 +0000
Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 12:23 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 12:57 +0200
Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 13:30 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:04 +0200
Re: Told you so Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 21:54 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 03:15 -0700
Re: Told you so Siegfried Blos <Siegfried.Blos@siemens.com> - 2017-05-05 10:29 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 11:39 +0200
Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 14:50 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 15:13 +0200
Re: Told you so "Alex S." <alexs.nospam@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 14:33 +0000
Re: Told you so spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2017-05-04 10:20 +0200
Re: Told you so Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 00:15 -0700
Re: Told you so Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2017-04-29 16:42 +0200
Re: Told you so Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2017-04-29 14:46 +0000
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 11:26 +0200
Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 12:20 +0200
Re: Told you so Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 12:53 +0200
Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 13:40 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-05-01 13:37 +0200
Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 13:43 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2017-05-01 13:58 +0200
Re: Told you so Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2017-05-01 14:52 +0200
Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-05-01 22:38 +0200
Re: Told you so "Alex S." <alexs.nospam@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 14:33 +0000
Re: Told you so Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2017-04-29 14:51 +0200
Re: Told you so Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2017-04-30 00:12 +0200
Re: Told you so (was: Re: Flug 9525: Das iPhone war's) Dietz Proepper <dietz-news@rotfl.franken.de> - 2017-04-29 12:10 +0200
Re: Told you so Michael Zink <michael@swamp.franken.de> - 2017-04-30 09:27 +0200
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