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  How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-21 13:10 -0800
    Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-21 16:15 -0500
      Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-21 18:27 -0800
        Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-21 23:14 -0500
        Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-01-22 06:57 -0800
    Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-22 13:49 +1300
      Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-01-21 20:26 -0500
        Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-22 01:42 +0000
          Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-01-23 00:30 +0000
        Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-22 02:07 +0000
        Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Wilbur Eleven <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> - 2015-01-22 12:15 -0500
        Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-22 10:49 -0800
          Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-22 14:13 -0500
          Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-23 09:01 +1300
            Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-22 15:06 -0500
            Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-22 21:24 +0000
          Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-01-22 16:39 -0600
            Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-22 18:49 -0500
      Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-21 18:26 -0800
        Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-21 23:14 -0500
        Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-22 18:33 +1300
          Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-22 00:52 -0500
          Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-21 22:44 -0800
            Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-22 02:05 -0500
            Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2015-01-22 07:03 -0800
            Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-23 09:11 +1300
            Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-01-23 12:15 +1300
              Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-22 23:31 +0000
              Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-23 13:16 +1300
          Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth rcp27g@gmail.com - 2015-01-22 07:25 -0800
            Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-22 08:19 -0800
              Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-22 17:41 +0000
              Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth rcp27g@gmail.com - 2015-01-23 04:49 -0800
                Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-24 10:22 +1300
      Re: How to download yosemite but limit bandwidth nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-21 23:14 -0500

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#68650

In article <m9pn8g$kke$8@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet
<electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 13:49:22 +1300
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >
> > Most Apple Stores and resellers will download (or already have it to
> > install) the updater for you ... some for free and others for a small
> > fee.
> 
> On to a usb drive or ?? You mean bring the mac somewhere and have them
> install it? That won't happen.

Usually you take the Mac, but that's a pain in the backside with a 27"
iMac.

Some may be willing to sell you a USB stick with the installer on it,
or perhaps copy the installer onto your own USB stick.



> > The growing insistence on downloading everything from the internet is
> > extremely annoying.
> 
> It's not realistic.
> 
> I will probably just stick with what I've got.
> 
> 
> I'm just the computer maintainer and like linux so all this apple
> stuff just seems like marketeers have taken over but maybe there
> are good reasons that I can't see. But why not sell the os dvds on
> the store? 

It isn't just Apple. All software sales are going to be going in that
direction. It's rather ridiculous since not everyone has an internet
connection, and many who do have one that is slow or data-capped.  :-(

Even worse, it's likely that the next step (a giant leap backwards)
will then be to have a "computer" that is really just a dumb terminal
which sends and receives information via the internet from applications
(rented by the hour) running on a central server. There's already some
software that works that way.



> It took me forever just to figure that much out, they don't sell 
> current os dvds.

Not only does Apple not sell DVD installers for the current or previous
OS, they no longer ship any installer DVD in the box with new Macs
either. The computers now have a silly small "Restore" partition on the
hard drive which then downloads the full OS from Apple's servers to
install.  :-(

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#68654

In article <220120151833157279%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > > Most Apple Stores and resellers will download (or already have it to
> > > install) the updater for you ... some for free and others for a small
> > > fee.
> > 
> > On to a usb drive or ?? You mean bring the mac somewhere and have them
> > install it? That won't happen.
> 
> Usually you take the Mac, but that's a pain in the backside with a 27"
> iMac.

nope. usually you take a usb stick to the apple store and use one of
their macs. there is no need to bring your own (although you certainly
can).

> Some may be willing to sell you a USB stick with the installer on it,
> or perhaps copy the installer onto your own USB stick.

apple doesn't sell it that way anymore, and for very good reason.
nobody wants it that way.



> It isn't just Apple. All software sales are going to be going in that
> direction. It's rather ridiculous since not everyone has an internet
> connection, and many who do have one that is slow or data-capped.  :-(

it's not ridiculous at all and the number of people who don't have a
high speed link is not enough to bother offering a dvd or other medium.



> Not only does Apple not sell DVD installers for the current or previous
> OS, they no longer ship any installer DVD in the box with new Macs
> either. The computers now have a silly small "Restore" partition on the
> hard drive which then downloads the full OS from Apple's servers to
> install.  :-(

it's a huge step forward. 

no longer must someone keep track of where they put the dvd and the
restore partition will always down load the latest, saving the user
from having to then do multiple updates right after installing.

stop living in the past.

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#68656

On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:33:15 +1300
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Some may be willing to sell you a USB stick with the installer on it,
> or perhaps copy the installer onto your own USB stick.

I will look around for this.


> It isn't just Apple. All software sales are going to be going in that
> direction. It's rather ridiculous since not everyone has an internet
> connection, and many who do have one that is slow or data-capped.  :-(

For most software it's a different problem, OS is trickier.

I'm sure all-mac shops must have figured out a way to get a local
server setup to deliver yosemite to their macs.

And if apple posted a link and a checksum then I'd start a long
slow download. They give it for free but obfuscate it so I guess
it's security through obscurity. The battle is over at apple and
it seems the engineers/imagineers lost.


> 
> Even worse, it's likely that the next step (a giant leap backwards)
> will then be to have a "computer" that is really just a dumb terminal
> which sends and receives information via the internet from
> applications (rented by the hour) running on a central server.
> There's already some software that works that way.


They've been wanting this for a long, long time. Seems a long way
off. Network's not reliable nor ubiquitous. The network needs to
become like the roads. There when you need it, infrastructure
not revenue generator. The bandwidth providers are just that
but imagine themselves to be content providers.


> Not only does Apple not sell DVD installers for the current or
> previous OS, they no longer ship any installer DVD in the box with
> new Macs either. The computers now have a silly small "Restore"
> partition on the hard drive which then downloads the full OS from
> Apple's servers to install.  :-(

They still sell previous OS, I saw snow leopard for sale and another.
Is it just a DL coupon?








 

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#68657

In article <m9q6c2$243$1@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet
<electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> > Some may be willing to sell you a USB stick with the installer on it,
> > or perhaps copy the installer onto your own USB stick.
> 
> I will look around for this.

you won't find it since it doesn't exist.

> > It isn't just Apple. All software sales are going to be going in that
> > direction. It's rather ridiculous since not everyone has an internet
> > connection, and many who do have one that is slow or data-capped.  :-(
> 
> For most software it's a different problem, OS is trickier.

no it isn't.

> I'm sure all-mac shops must have figured out a way to get a local
> server setup to deliver yosemite to their macs.

there's nothing to figure out. bring a usb stick, log into the app
store and download it. be sure to log out when done.

> And if apple posted a link and a checksum then I'd start a long
> slow download. They give it for free but obfuscate it so I guess
> it's security through obscurity. The battle is over at apple and
> it seems the engineers/imagineers lost.

the link is called the app store.



> They still sell previous OS, I saw snow leopard for sale and another.
> Is it just a DL coupon?

snow leopard was never available as a download.

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#68663

In article <m9q6c2$243$1@dont-email.me>,
 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:33:15 +1300
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > Some may be willing to sell you a USB stick with the installer on it,
> > or perhaps copy the installer onto your own USB stick.
> 
> I will look around for this.
> 
> 
> > It isn't just Apple. All software sales are going to be going in that
> > direction. It's rather ridiculous since not everyone has an internet
> > connection, and many who do have one that is slow or data-capped.  :-(
> 
> For most software it's a different problem, OS is trickier.
> 
> I'm sure all-mac shops must have figured out a way to get a local
> server setup to deliver yosemite to their macs.
> 
> And if apple posted a link and a checksum then I'd start a long
> slow download. They give it for free but obfuscate it so I guess
> it's security through obscurity. The battle is over at apple and
> it seems the engineers/imagineers lost.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Even worse, it's likely that the next step (a giant leap backwards)
> > will then be to have a "computer" that is really just a dumb terminal
> > which sends and receives information via the internet from
> > applications (rented by the hour) running on a central server.
> > There's already some software that works that way.
> 
> 
> They've been wanting this for a long, long time. Seems a long way
> off. Network's not reliable nor ubiquitous. The network needs to
> become like the roads. There when you need it, infrastructure
> not revenue generator. The bandwidth providers are just that
> but imagine themselves to be content providers.
> 
> 
> > Not only does Apple not sell DVD installers for the current or
> > previous OS, they no longer ship any installer DVD in the box with
> > new Macs either. The computers now have a silly small "Restore"
> > partition on the hard drive which then downloads the full OS from
> > Apple's servers to install.  :-(
> 
> They still sell previous OS, I saw snow leopard for sale and another.
> Is it just a DL coupon?

The internet at my contract is constrained to 8Mbs because we'er a 
startup inside another company.  That's what they give us.  So I use my 
24Mbs broadband at home to suck down Centos 7, Scientific Linux 6.5, or 
any other flavor distro software development needs.  I bought a 2TB USB 
drive just for this.

Since you don't seem to be in a part of the country that has broadband, 
not upgrading is probably you're only option unless you vacation at a 
place where you can download the Install Yosemite app on a thumb drive.  
or you have relatives that have broadband that can help you out.

Sucks to be on your internet.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#68695

In article <m9q6c2$243$1@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet
<electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:33:15 +1300
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Some may be willing to sell you a USB stick with the installer on it,
> > or perhaps copy the installer onto your own USB stick.
> 
> I will look around for this.
> 
> 
> > It isn't just Apple. All software sales are going to be going in that
> > direction. It's rather ridiculous since not everyone has an internet
> > connection, and many who do have one that is slow or data-capped.  :-(
> 
> For most software it's a different problem, OS is trickier.

Not really. Some applications can be bigger downloads than the OS.



> > Not only does Apple not sell DVD installers for the current or
> > previous OS, they no longer ship any installer DVD in the box with
> > new Macs either. The computers now have a silly small "Restore"
> > partition on the hard drive which then downloads the full OS from
> > Apple's servers to install.  :-(
> 
> They still sell previous OS, I saw snow leopard for sale and another.
> Is it just a DL coupon?

Last time I looked, some places like Amazon were still selling older
versions of Mac OS X that did come on DVD. There are even some places
like Hardcore Mac http://www.hardcoremac.com which are still selling
brand new boxed versions of System 7 which Apple released in 1991 and
other old software.

I haven't checked recently what Apple itself is doing - from a quick
look you can still buy Snow Leopard because that's is the minimum OS
you can have before upgrading to the newer download only OS X versions.

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#68704

Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:33:15 +1300
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > Some may be willing to sell you a USB stick with the installer on it,
> > or perhaps copy the installer onto your own USB stick.
> 
> I will look around for this.

As others have noted, you won't find anyone selling Yosemite (legally).

Taking your own 8 GB+ USB flash drive (formatted as Mac OS Extended,
because the installer contains one file which is too big for FAT32) to
another Mac with a decent Internet connection which is running Snow
Leopard or later, sign in to App Store on that Mac using your Apple ID,
download Yosemite, copy the installer to the flash drive, and make sure
you sign out of App Store afterwards.

Since 10.10.2 is due soon (currently getting weekly developer seeds,
which is a sign that it isn't far away), you might want to wait until
after that version is released, so that you can get it as a full
installer, rather than getting the 10.10.1 installer then immediately
needing to do a probably 500 MB+ software update to go to 10.10.2.

> > It isn't just Apple. All software sales are going to be going in that
> > direction. It's rather ridiculous since not everyone has an internet
> > connection, and many who do have one that is slow or data-capped.  :-(
> 
> For most software it's a different problem, OS is trickier.
> 
> I'm sure all-mac shops must have figured out a way to get a local
> server setup to deliver yosemite to their macs.

OS X Server has a caching server for delivering App Store and Software
Update content to other Macs on the network. They should only need to
download Yosemite via the Internet on one computer, and the others can
get it from the local server.

Or they can create a bootable installer from the download and use that
on each computer.

There used to be a "NetInstall" service offered by OS X Server but I
don't see it mentioned for the 10.10-compatible Server.

> And if apple posted a link and a checksum then I'd start a long
> slow download.

Presumably you mean "using a web browser which has a built-in mechanism
for limiting data rate"?

There may be applications available which can selectively throttle
Internet bandwidth usage on a per-app/port/server basis. For example, I
found this one:

http://intrarts.com/throttled.html

but it costs US$20.

> They give it for free but obfuscate it so I guess it's security through
> obscurity. The battle is over at apple and it seems the
> engineers/imagineers lost.
> 
> > Even worse, it's likely that the next step (a giant leap backwards)
> > will then be to have a "computer" that is really just a dumb terminal
> > which sends and receives information via the internet from
> > applications (rented by the hour) running on a central server.
> > There's already some software that works that way.
> 
> They've been wanting this for a long, long time. Seems a long way
> off. Network's not reliable nor ubiquitous. The network needs to
> become like the roads. There when you need it, infrastructure
> not revenue generator. The bandwidth providers are just that
> but imagine themselves to be content providers.
> 
> > Not only does Apple not sell DVD installers for the current or
> > previous OS, they no longer ship any installer DVD in the box with
> > new Macs either. The computers now have a silly small "Restore"
> > partition on the hard drive which then downloads the full OS from
> > Apple's servers to install.  :-(
> 
> They still sell previous OS, I saw snow leopard for sale and another.
> Is it just a DL coupon?

Snow Leopard (10.6), Lion (10.7) and Mountain Lion (10.8) are still
available for purchase from the online Apple store, each US$19.99.

http://store.apple.com/us/search/os-x

Snow Leopard is supplied on DVD (it is version 10.6.3, which can be
updated to 10.6.8 via Software Update or a manual install of the combo
update).

Lion and Mountain Lion are supplied as redemption codes sent to you via
email, which you then enter into App Store's "Redeem" section, which
adds the appropriate OS to your purchases list and starts downloading
the installer. In either case you will get the final minor version
(10.7.5 or 10.8.5), but there will still be later updates to install,
e.g. security and safari updates.

Apple still supplies Snow Leopard for two main reasons:

1. For early Intel Macs, it is a prerequisite in the official upgrade
path to Lion and later versions, since you need Snow Leopard
(specifically 10.6.6 or later) to get App Store, and Lion or later will
not do an upgrade install on top of Leopard (10.5) or Tiger (10.4).

2. Many Mac models introduced in 2006 cannot upgrade beyond Snow
Leopard. (They originally came with Tiger.)

Apple still supplies Lion for one main reason: some Mac models
introduced in 2006 to 2008 cannot upgrade beyond Lion. (They originally
came with Tiger or Leopard, so they need to upgrade to Snow Leopard
before they can upgrade to Lion.)

It isn't clear why Apple is still selling Mountain Lion, other than for
those who need it for compatibility with older applications. All Macs
which can run Mountain Lion can also run Mavericks (10.9) or Yosemite
(10.10).

Oddly, since the release of Yosemite, Apple has not provided a way for
the general public to get Mavericks (which was free) if they hadn't
already got it. This makes the ongoing availability of Mountain Lion
even more peculiar.

(If you got Mavericks from App Store while it was available, you can
still re-download it from your purchases list. Mavericks is available to
paid members of Apple's Mac Developer Programme, as a redemption code,
but that method usually has licensing conditions such as only using it
for development purposes.)

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#68706

On 2015-01-22, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> OS X Server has a caching server for delivering App Store and Software
> Update content to other Macs on the network. They should only need to
> download Yosemite via the Internet on one computer, and the others can
> get it from the local server.

I use it. It's lovely.

> There used to be a "NetInstall" service offered by OS X Server but I
> don't see it mentioned for the 10.10-compatible Server.

It's still there.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#68708

In article <1lyp6cc.1fql869u6cg3dN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:33:15 +1300
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Some may be willing to sell you a USB stick with the installer on it,
> > > or perhaps copy the installer onto your own USB stick.
> > 
> > I will look around for this.
> 
> As others have noted, you won't find anyone selling Yosemite (legally).
<snip>

Yep. By "sell" I meant for the price of the USB stick and possibly a
bit of time ... there's still no chrage for the OS itself.

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#68665

On Thursday, 22 January 2015 06:33:02 UTC+1, Your Name  wrote:

> Even worse, it's likely that the next step (a giant leap backwards)
> will then be to have a "computer" that is really just a dumb terminal
> which sends and receives information via the internet from applications
> (rented by the hour) running on a central server.

It's called a "chromebook" and has been available for a few years now.  The "rental fee" is charged in the form of google spying on everything you do so that they can feed you advertising.

Robin

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#68667

On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:25:39 -0800 (PST)
rcp27g@gmail.com wrote:

> It's called a "chromebook" and has been available for a few years
> now.  The "rental fee" is charged in the form of google spying on
> everything you do so that they can feed you advertising.

The ipad too

With the amount of data they all steal from us they should  give
the hw for free, not just the os

But really if you're using a computer they are getting your data.
most every website has google-analytics links to phone home













 

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#68678

On 2015-01-22, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> But really if you're using a computer they are getting your data.
> most every website has google-analytics links 

Which I block.

-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 22nd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3181
I don't have an attitude problem.  If you have a problem with my attitude,
                    that's your problem.

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#68741

On Thursday, 22 January 2015 17:22:30 UTC+1, Electric Comet  wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:25:39 -0800 (PST)
> rcp27g@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > It's called a "chromebook" and has been available for a few years
> > now.  The "rental fee" is charged in the form of google spying on
> > everything you do so that they can feed you advertising.
> 
> The ipad too

The iPad is not a thin client, rather software is installed to it and runs locally (as is demonstrated by the fact that it can still be used in Airplane Mode).  The Chromebook, however, is effectively a laptop that boots directly to a browser with no capacity to either run programs or store data locally.

Robin

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#68796

In article <783dba34-c0c6-4cd4-9ba0-41377069cbe4@googlegroups.com>,
<rcp27g@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 22 January 2015 17:22:30 UTC+1, Electric Comet  wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:25:39 -0800 (PST)
> > rcp27g@gmail.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > It's called a "chromebook" and has been available for a few years
> > > now.  The "rental fee" is charged in the form of google spying on
> > > everything you do so that they can feed you advertising.
> > 
> > The ipad too
> 
> The iPad is not a thin client, rather software is installed to it and runs
> locally (as is demonstrated by the fact that it can still be used in Airplane
> Mode).  The Chromebook, however, is effectively a laptop that boots directly
> to a browser with no capacity to either run programs or store data locally.

For some apps the iPad (or Mac, or Windoze box) is already just a "thin
client", but not so far it's not many apps.

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#68646

In article <220120151349229975%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The growing insistence on downloading everything from the internet is
> extremely annoying.

nonsense. it's *extremely* convenient.

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