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  An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-27 09:07 -0700
    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Alan Ralph <alan.ralph@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 16:22 +0000
      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:06 -0500
      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-27 23:31 -0700
    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michael Eyd <news@eyd.de> - 2014-01-27 17:48 +0100
      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:06 -0500
        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-27 23:38 -0700
      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-27 23:38 -0700
        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-28 13:34 +0000
    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:06 -0500
    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-27 22:50 +0000
      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 18:33 -0500
        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-27 19:06 -0600
        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-28 13:34 +0000
      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-27 23:39 -0700
    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> - 2014-01-30 00:18 +0000
      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-29 18:04 -0700
        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:23 +0000
        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> - 2014-02-02 03:20 +0000
          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-01 22:11 -0700
            Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> - 2014-02-04 03:12 +0000
              Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 00:14 -0700
          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-02 12:46 -0500
            Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> - 2014-02-04 03:13 +0000
      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 23:17 -0500
        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> - 2014-02-02 03:23 +0000
          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-02 04:58 +0000
            Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-01 22:17 -0700
              Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-02 12:46 -0500
                Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-02 11:15 -0700
                  Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-02 14:06 -0500
                    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-02 13:22 -0700
                      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-02 17:59 -0500
                        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-02 17:54 -0700
                          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-03 12:28 -0500
                            Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-03 19:27 -0700
                              Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-03 23:46 -0500
                                Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 00:13 -0700
                                  Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-04 14:42 -0500
                                    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 00:30 -0700
                                      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 12:13 -0500
                                        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 10:31 -0700
                                          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 13:34 -0500
                                            Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 12:04 -0700
                                              Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 15:39 -0500
                              Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-02-04 17:01 +0000
                  Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> - 2014-02-04 03:22 +0000
              Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-02 22:06 +0000
                Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-02 15:20 -0700
                  Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-02 17:59 -0500
                    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-02 17:46 -0700
                      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-03 12:28 -0500
                        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-03 18:39 -0700
                          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-03 23:46 -0500
                            Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 00:11 -0700
                              Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-04 14:46 +0000
                                Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 08:00 -0700
                                  Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-04 17:13 +0000
                                    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 10:25 -0700
                                      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-04 14:42 -0500
                                        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 00:31 -0700
                              Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-04 14:42 -0500
                                Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 00:22 -0700
                                Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-02-06 23:59 +0000
                  Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-03 01:49 +0000
                    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-02 22:05 -0700
                      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-03 13:57 +0000
                        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-03 12:28 -0500
                        Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-03 18:37 -0700
                          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-03 23:46 -0500
                            Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-04 00:10 -0700
                              Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-04 14:42 -0500
                                Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 00:27 -0700
                                  Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 12:13 -0500
                                    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-05 10:30 -0700
                                      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 13:34 -0500
                          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-04 14:43 +0000
                            Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-02-04 17:01 +0000
                            Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-04 14:42 -0500
                          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-02-04 17:01 +0000
                      Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-03 12:28 -0500
                Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-02 17:59 -0500
                  Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-02-03 19:33 +0000
                    Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-03 17:22 -0500
          Re: An iTunes ecosystem complaint nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-02 12:46 -0500

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#55826

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, Michelle Steiner said:

> > The frequency of use does not matter.  When you open the app, it'll
> > happen.
> 
> I'm not talking bout purchased apps; I'm talking about *updated apps*. 
> Purchased apps are automatically downloaded to the computer because
> iTunes is always running in the background.
> 
> I rarely sync the device to the computer; the devices automatically
> sync to iCloud.  When I synced to the computer a few days ago, it was
> the first time in about 2 1/2 months, and there were 184 apps that
> needed to be synced.

So, just download them.  I fail to see the problem.  iTunes is running,
iTunes is prompting to download the updates.  No device-to-computer
syncing is required to get the updated apps to the computer.

-- 
Jeffrey Kaplan                                         www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

"If I am ever the Hero top 100 list: #20. If I am captured by the Evil
Overlord and escape, I will assume that he is tracking me in some
manner. If I am going to the hidden rebel base, I'll first go to an
alternate location, change clothing, equipment, and means of
transportation, and then go to the hidden rebel base.

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#55836

In article <qim0f95gctrmk5smvql4i4j1jffve77run@gordol.org>, Jeffrey
Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:

> > > The frequency of use does not matter.  When you open the app, it'll
> > > happen.
> > 
> > I'm not talking bout purchased apps; I'm talking about *updated apps*. 
> > Purchased apps are automatically downloaded to the computer because
> > iTunes is always running in the background.
> > 
> > I rarely sync the device to the computer; the devices automatically
> > sync to iCloud.  When I synced to the computer a few days ago, it was
> > the first time in about 2 1/2 months, and there were 184 apps that
> > needed to be synced.
> 
> So, just download them.  I fail to see the problem.  iTunes is running,
> iTunes is prompting to download the updates.  No device-to-computer
> syncing is required to get the updated apps to the computer.

Either way, it requires an extra step to either download them or to
sync them when they should be downloaded automatically to the computer
when updated on an iDevice.

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#55765

In article <a8ere9pc0jf5du0gcfunemcbeaq0gh6k62@gordol.org>, Jeffrey
Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:

> > > > device, it does not update on all of them.  Updates downloaded to an
> > > > iOS device can be put on the computer only by physically connecting
> > > > them via USB and manually syncing them if you normally sync to the
> > > 
> > > Why are you unable to have iTunes on your computer download the updated
> > > apps directly?
> > 
> > I'm not unable to do that.  I just worded it poorly.  I rarely check
> > for updates with my computer, though.
> 
> But when you go to sync the iDevice, you've got iTunes open, and iTunes
> will automatically search for updates to your apps and flag the library
> listing that there are updates to download.  Apps that you purchased
> directly from the iDevice will automatically download in iTunes when
> you next open it.

it only checks for updates if you want it to.

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#55827

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, nospam said:

> > But when you go to sync the iDevice, you've got iTunes open, and iTunes
> > will automatically search for updates to your apps and flag the library
> 
> it only checks for updates if you want it to.

Mine checks always.

-- 
Jeffrey Kaplan                                         www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

"If I am ever the Hero top 100 list: #20. If I am captured by the Evil
Overlord and escape, I will assume that he is tracking me in some
manner. If I am going to the hidden rebel base, I'll first go to an
alternate location, change clothing, equipment, and means of
transportation, and then go to the hidden rebel base.

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#55592

In article <l56je9dqg9imr6uoep28tqfgmmv919o2c0@gordol.org>, Jeffrey
Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:

> > One thing I like about the iTunes ecosystem is that when you purchase
> > something from the iTunes or App store, it propagates to all your
> > devices.  What I do not like is that when you update an app on one
> 
> If you have that option enabled on the devices.  I do not.  The iPad
> and iPhone are used for different purposes and thus I use different
> apps on them.

it's not well designed. it's an all or nothing.

at a minimum, it could not install iphone apps on an ipad. 

what would work a lot better is by choosing which devices get the apps.

> WiFi sync is iffy.  I'm sitting at my computer, with my router less
> than two feet away.  There are a total of seven network capable
> hardware items connected, including this computer, the cable modem, a
> dumb hub, a BD player, a satellite TV tuner/DVR, an iPhone and iPad. It
> takes nearly two minutes for iTunes to "find" my phone on WiFi, and two
> to three times longer to sync than via USB.

wifi sync always worked well for me. it's obviously going to be slower
than with usb, but it's a lot more convenient.

i've never seen it take more than 30 seconds to find the device, and
that's when the device is sleeping. if it's unlocked and at a home
screen, it's fairly fast.

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#55756

Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, nospam said:

> it's not well designed. it's an all or nothing.
> 
> at a minimum, it could not install iphone apps on an ipad. 

I don't understand. Are you saying that it should not install
iPhone-only apps on the iPad, or are you complaining that it does not?

> wifi sync always worked well for me. it's obviously going to be slower
> than with usb, but it's a lot more convenient.

Meh, I disagree.  Speed is a convenience too.

-- 
Jeffrey Kaplan                                         www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

"Sexual prowess and rebellion..."  (Lennier, B5 "Eyes")

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#55758

In message <ccere9hi4pge958e11sb2j2ja7k3hs3lpo@gordol.org> 
  Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:
> Previously on comp.mobile.ipad, nospam said:

>> it's not well designed. it's an all or nothing.
>> 
>> at a minimum, it could not install iphone apps on an ipad. 

> I don't understand. Are you saying that it should not install
> iPhone-only apps on the iPad, or are you complaining that it does not?

There should be a setting to prevent iPhone only apps to be installed
automatically. There should also be a setting, "Yes, I know I'm on an
iPhone, let me see iPad apps in the app store anyway, because I want to
buy one (which will be automatically installed on my iPad by the time I
get home)".

>> wifi sync always worked well for me. it's obviously going to be slower
>> than with usb, but it's a lot more convenient.

> Meh, I disagree.  Speed is a convenience too.

WiFi sync just happens, silently, without thinking about it, without
effort.

-- 
'We'll never make it alive!' CORRECT. --Small Gods

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#55760

In article <slrnlerk3l.bbn.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> There should be a setting to prevent iPhone only apps to be installed
> automatically.

What would make an iPhone app not run on an iPad?  I'm referring to
third-party apps, not Apple's apps.

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#55767

In article <010220142217376463%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > There should be a setting to prevent iPhone only apps to be installed
> > automatically.
> 
> What would make an iPhone app not run on an iPad?  I'm referring to
> third-party apps, not Apple's apps.

the key is not whether it won't run (in which case it won't install at
all), but if it can run but isn't appropriate for an ipad, or you just
don't want it on the ipad. 

as i mentioned in another post, some apps have separate iphone and ipad
versions and you end up getting both, only to have to delete one of
them, and it may not be obvious by the name which is which so you have
to launch one to figure it out.

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#55769

In article <020220141246551190%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > > There should be a setting to prevent iPhone only apps to be installed
> > > automatically.
> > 
> > What would make an iPhone app not run on an iPad?  I'm referring to
> > third-party apps, not Apple's apps.
> 
> the key is not whether it won't run (in which case it won't install at
> all), but if it can run but isn't appropriate for an ipad, or you just
> don't want it on the ipad. 

"iPhone only" means that it can run only on an iPhone, not that you
don't want it to run on an iPad.

> as i mentioned in another post, some apps have separate iphone and ipad
> versions and you end up getting both, only to have to delete one of
> them, and it may not be obvious by the name which is which so you have
> to launch one to figure it out.

If a company makes two separate versions of an app, one for the iPhone
and one for the iPad, it should reinvest in its engineering department
because Apple has made it easy to develop one version that runs
natively in each environment.  There are many apps that are designed
for the iPhone that run on the iPad because there aren't any iPad
versions for them, that are very suitable for the iPad.

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#55772

In article <020220141115226500%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > > There should be a setting to prevent iPhone only apps to be installed
> > > > automatically.
> > > 
> > > What would make an iPhone app not run on an iPad?  I'm referring to
> > > third-party apps, not Apple's apps.
> > 
> > the key is not whether it won't run (in which case it won't install at
> > all), but if it can run but isn't appropriate for an ipad, or you just
> > don't want it on the ipad. 
> 
> "iPhone only" means that it can run only on an iPhone, not that you
> don't want it to run on an iPad.

only if the app is marked as such. not all are.

> > as i mentioned in another post, some apps have separate iphone and ipad
> > versions and you end up getting both, only to have to delete one of
> > them, and it may not be obvious by the name which is which so you have
> > to launch one to figure it out.
> 
> If a company makes two separate versions of an app, one for the iPhone
> and one for the iPad, it should reinvest in its engineering department
> because Apple has made it easy to develop one version that runs
> natively in each environment. 

there are reasons to do two separate apps and there are reasons to make
an app universal. 

> There are many apps that are designed
> for the iPhone that run on the iPad because there aren't any iPad
> versions for them, that are very suitable for the iPad.

if there's no ipad alternative then you have little choice, however,
running an iphone app on an ipad will always be a sub-par experience.

by default, iphone apps should not be installed on an ipad
automatically. if the user really wants it there, they can override it.

and actually the real solution is not to automatically push all apps to
all devices because it's very rare that someone will want exactly the
same apps on every single device they have. a much better solution is
choose which apps get installed to which devices, whether it's wireless
or not.

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#55782

In article <020220141406217131%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> if there's no ipad alternative then you have little choice, however,
> running an iphone app on an ipad will always be a sub-par experience.

Sub par compared to what?  It's better than not being able to run it at
all. In 2X mode, it's better than on an iPhone for some vision-impaired
people.

> by default, iphone apps should not be installed on an ipad
> automatically. 

In your opinion.

> and actually the real solution is not to automatically push all apps to
> all devices because it's very rare that someone will want exactly the
> same apps on every single device they have.

Despite all the complaints that Apple received that people had to
manually download or sync apps to get them onto multiple devices?

BTW, it is up to the user; the user can enable or disable automatic
downloads in the settings app.

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#55792

In article <020220141322394732%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > if there's no ipad alternative then you have little choice, however,
> > running an iphone app on an ipad will always be a sub-par experience.
> 
> Sub par compared to what?  

to a native app. 

> It's better than not being able to run it at
> all.

maybe, but that's the exception. it's much better to get the native app.

if none exists, then you have little choice, but these days, that's
rare.

many people have both an iphone and an ipad, so they can run any
iphone-only apps on their iphone.

> In 2X mode, it's better than on an iPhone for some vision-impaired
> people.

use zoom and/or speech. that's what it's for.

it also depends on the app. some are jaggy, and that just looks bad,
vision impaired or not. 

> > by default, iphone apps should not be installed on an ipad
> > automatically. 
> 
> In your opinion.

obviously.

> > and actually the real solution is not to automatically push all apps to
> > all devices because it's very rare that someone will want exactly the
> > same apps on every single device they have.
> 
> Despite all the complaints that Apple received that people had to
> manually download or sync apps to get them onto multiple devices?
> 
> BTW, it is up to the user; the user can enable or disable automatic
> downloads in the settings app.

except it's all or none, which is bad.

the point is almost nobody wants every app on all devices.

for example, a family where different people who buy apps under a
shared apple id would get everything. kids get the apps their parents
want and the parents get the apps the kids want. not good.

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#55797

In article <020220141759366712%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > > if there's no ipad alternative then you have little choice, however,
> > > running an iphone app on an ipad will always be a sub-par experience.
> > 
> > Sub par compared to what?  
> 
> to a native app. 
> 
> > It's better than not being able to run it at all.
> 
> maybe, but that's the exception. it's much better to get the native app.

If the native app exists.  And it's not as rare as you may think.

> > In 2X mode, it's better than on an iPhone for some vision-impaired
> > people.
> 
> use zoom and/or speech. that's what it's for.

Zooming doesn't let you see the entire screen at once.

> it also depends on the app. some are jaggy, and that just looks bad,
> vision impaired or not. 

And many aren't jaggy.

> > > by default, iphone apps should not be installed on an ipad
> > > automatically. 
> > 
> > In your opinion.
> 
> obviously.

That's an improvement; you acknowlege that it's an opinion, and not
fact.

> > > by default, iphone apps should not be installed on an ipad
> > > automatically. 
> > 
> > In your opinion.
> 
> obviously.

Within each category.  You can have automatic downloads of everything
but apps if you want.

And considering that there aren't all that many apps these days that
have separate versions for iPad and iPhone, it's no longer a big issue. 
Except for people who like to make mountains out of molehills, that is.

Always designing for the outliers is not a very good marketing or
engineering strategy.

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#55805

In article <020220141754001616%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Always designing for the outliers is not a very good marketing or
> engineering strategy.

exactly why the existing implementation is bad.

you seem to think that people preferring native apps is unusual. you
would be very wrong.

if that were the case, why bother writing ipad native apps at all?

since there are several hundred thousand ipad native apps, clearly an
awful lot of people want native apps and do *not* want to run apps in
compatibility mode.

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#55824

In article <030220141228109624%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> you seem to think that people preferring native apps is unusual. 

Straw man.  I don't think that at all.

What I do think is that if there isn't a native app, being able to run
an iPhone app is better than not having an app at all.  You seem unable
to comprehend this simple concept.

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#55831

In article <030220141927564033%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > you seem to think that people preferring native apps is unusual. 
> 
> Straw man.  I don't think that at all.
> 
> What I do think is that if there isn't a native app, being able to run
> an iPhone app is better than not having an app at all.  You seem unable
> to comprehend this simple concept.

then they can install it. i never said they can't.

the point is to give the user a choice of what to do instead of forcing
iphone apps on ipads, only to be deleted because the user doesn't want
them there, yet does want wireless syncing.

you are unable to comprehend that.

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#55835

In article <030220142346301494%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > > you seem to think that people preferring native apps is unusual. 
> > 
> > Straw man.  I don't think that at all.
> > 
> > What I do think is that if there isn't a native app, being able to run
> > an iPhone app is better than not having an app at all.  You seem unable
> > to comprehend this simple concept.
> 
> then they can install it. i never said they can't.
> 
> the point is to give the user a choice of what to do instead of forcing
> iphone apps on ipads, only to be deleted because the user doesn't want
> them there, yet does want wireless syncing.
> 
> you are unable to comprehend that.

So you want to make people take an extra step to install apps just
because you're too lazy to uninstall them.

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#55884

In article <040220140013201524%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > > you seem to think that people preferring native apps is unusual. 
> > > 
> > > Straw man.  I don't think that at all.
> > > 
> > > What I do think is that if there isn't a native app, being able to run
> > > an iPhone app is better than not having an app at all.  You seem unable
> > > to comprehend this simple concept.
> > 
> > then they can install it. i never said they can't.
> > 
> > the point is to give the user a choice of what to do instead of forcing
> > iphone apps on ipads, only to be deleted because the user doesn't want
> > them there, yet does want wireless syncing.
> > 
> > you are unable to comprehend that.
> 
> So you want to make people take an extra step to install apps just
> because you're too lazy to uninstall them.

no.

i want a choice so that people can choose what works best for them. 

why is this so hard to understand?  

*you* can set it to install everything if that's what *you* want. not
everyone wants that.

meanwhile, myself and many others will set it to install only ipad
native apps on ipads.

and it has nothing to do with being lazy. why should someone waste
bandwidth downloading something that will ultimately be deleted? it
slows down the downloads for the other devices (plus it uses up the
user's data cap if they have one).

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#55943

In article <040220141442345604%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > So you want to make people take an extra step to install apps just
> > because you're too lazy to uninstall them.
> 
> no.
> 
> i want a choice so that people can choose what works best for them. 
> 
> why is this so hard to understand?  

When you figure out how to tell iOS to load or not load any given app a
priori, let me know.

> you* can set it to install everything if that's what *you* want. not
> everyone wants that.

Then turn off automatic syncing of downloads; it's already built into
the OS.  How many times do you have to be told that?

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