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Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"?

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  Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2014-06-21 16:02 -0400
    Re: Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-06-21 18:39 -0300
      Re: Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2014-06-22 08:30 +0000
        Re: Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-06-22 12:03 -0300
          Re: Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2014-06-22 15:42 -0400
            Re: Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"? Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-06-23 15:27 -0300
            Re: Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2014-06-24 11:03 +0000
    Re: Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"? fozztexx@fozztexx.com - 2014-06-22 15:40 +0000
      Re: Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2014-06-24 11:05 +0000

#5540 — Cloning a drive that shows "S.M.A.R.T. tripped"?

I have a 500GB Seagate SATA drive (well past its 5-yr warranty 
expiration date) that reports "S.M.A.R.T. tripped." SeaTools says it 
can't recover anything from it, but is there any other tool that might 
be able to clone it to another drive and allow me to retrieve some files?

Perce

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#5541

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:02:55 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
<Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:

>I have a 500GB Seagate SATA drive (well past its 5-yr warranty 
>expiration date) that reports "S.M.A.R.T. tripped." SeaTools says it 
>can't recover anything from it, but is there any other tool that might 
>be able to clone it to another drive and allow me to retrieve some files?
>
>Perce

	I think Spinright from Gibson Research might do that, but to
be honest, I've only read about it. It's payware.
	Which SMART attribute was tripped ?
	[]'s
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#5542

Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:02:55 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
> <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:

>>I have a 500GB Seagate SATA drive (well past its 5-yr warranty 
>>expiration date) that reports "S.M.A.R.T. tripped." SeaTools says it 
>>can't recover anything from it, but is there any other tool that might 
>>be able to clone it to another drive and allow me to retrieve some files?
>>
>>Perce

>        I think Spinright from Gibson Research might do that, but to
> be honest, I've only read about it. It's payware.
>        Which SMART attribute was tripped ?
>        []'s

That thing is pure snake-oil and a complete waste of money.
It had some use in the MFM times, but no MFM drive ever had SMART.

First, a SMART failure does not mean the drive is inacessible.
What you need to do is diagnose the problem. For that, post the
SMART attributes here, obtained, e.g. with the smartmontools
or HDDSentinel.

Then we wills ee what can be done.

Arno

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#5543

On 22 Jun 2014 08:30:06 GMT, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 16:02:55 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
>> <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
>
>>>I have a 500GB Seagate SATA drive (well past its 5-yr warranty 
>>>expiration date) that reports "S.M.A.R.T. tripped." SeaTools says it 
>>>can't recover anything from it, but is there any other tool that might 
>>>be able to clone it to another drive and allow me to retrieve some files?
>>>
>>>Perce
>
>>        I think Spinright from Gibson Research might do that, but to
>> be honest, I've only read about it. It's payware.
>>        Which SMART attribute was tripped ?
>
>That thing is pure snake-oil and a complete waste of money.
>It had some use in the MFM times, but no MFM drive ever had SMART.

	Whatever. I've never tried it.
>
>First, a SMART failure does not mean the drive is inacessible.
>What you need to do is diagnose the problem. For that, post the
>SMART attributes here, obtained, e.g. with the smartmontools
>or HDDSentinel.
>
>Then we wills ee what can be done.

	What I said. Seatools has a logfile, with the info, if the OP
was SMART (ouch) enough to keep it.
	[]'s
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#5545

On 06/22/14 11:03 am, Shadow wrote:

>>>> I have a 500GB Seagate SATA drive (well past its 5-yr warranty
>>>> expiration date) that reports "S.M.A.R.T. tripped." SeaTools says it
>>>> can't recover anything from it, but is there any other tool that might
>>>> be able to clone it to another drive and allow me to retrieve some files?
>>>>
>>>> Perce
>>
>>>         I think Spinright from Gibson Research might do that, but to
>>> be honest, I've only read about it. It's payware.
>>>         Which SMART attribute was tripped ?
>>
>> That thing is pure snake-oil and a complete waste of money.
>> It had some use in the MFM times, but no MFM drive ever had SMART.
>
> 	Whatever. I've never tried it.
>>
>> First, a SMART failure does not mean the drive is inacessible.
>> What you need to do is diagnose the problem. For that, post the
>> SMART attributes here, obtained, e.g. with the smartmontools
>> or HDDSentinel.

The BIOS report was simply (as I stated originally) "S.M.A.R.T. tripped."

>> Then we wills ee what can be done.
>
> 	What I said. Seatools has a logfile, with the info, if the OP
> was SMART (ouch) enough to keep it.
		
I ran SeaTools for DOS from a CD, so there was no place to save whatever 
log it might have created. All it displayed on the screen was "Failed."

HDSentinel showed a large number of reallocated sectors and weak 
sectors. As I write this, MiniTool Partition Wizard is copying one of 
the two partitions on the dying drive to a new drive.

Perce

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#5546

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:42:00 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
<Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:

>On 06/22/14 11:03 am, Shadow wrote:
>
>>>>> I have a 500GB Seagate SATA drive (well past its 5-yr warranty
>>>>> expiration date) that reports "S.M.A.R.T. tripped." SeaTools says it
>>>>> can't recover anything from it, but is there any other tool that might
>>>>> be able to clone it to another drive and allow me to retrieve some files?
>>>>>
>>>>> Perce
>>>
>>>>         I think Spinright from Gibson Research might do that, but to
>>>> be honest, I've only read about it. It's payware.
>>>>         Which SMART attribute was tripped ?
>>>
>>> That thing is pure snake-oil and a complete waste of money.
>>> It had some use in the MFM times, but no MFM drive ever had SMART.
>>
>> 	Whatever. I've never tried it.
>>>
>>> First, a SMART failure does not mean the drive is inacessible.
>>> What you need to do is diagnose the problem. For that, post the
>>> SMART attributes here, obtained, e.g. with the smartmontools
>>> or HDDSentinel.
>
>The BIOS report was simply (as I stated originally) "S.M.A.R.T. tripped."
>
>>> Then we wills ee what can be done.
>>
>> 	What I said. Seatools has a logfile, with the info, if the OP
>> was SMART (ouch) enough to keep it.
>		
>I ran SeaTools for DOS from a CD, so there was no place to save whatever 
>log it might have created. All it displayed on the screen was "Failed."
>
>HDSentinel showed a large number of reallocated sectors and weak 
>sectors. As I write this, MiniTool Partition Wizard is copying one of 
>the two partitions on the dying drive to a new drive.
>
>Perce

	Just load Seatools on a pendrive, using "Rufus", and boot from
the pendrive. You can save the report to a diskette (?) or to a
partition. But you are right, it will not give you the SMART values,
just drive model/serial number and an error code.
	"HDSentinel" can save the SMART table, but "CrystalDiskInfo"
probably gives you a "prettier" one. Last program is freeware, if you
use the portable version.

	http://crystalmark.info/download/index-e.html

	It's the 2.5Mb one.
	Anyway, saving your data is more important than testing the
drive. It might be on the brink of crashing.
	[]'s
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#5547

Percival P. Cassidy <Nobody@notmyisp.net> wrote:
> On 06/22/14 11:03 am, Shadow wrote:
[...]
> HDSentinel showed a large number of reallocated sectors and weak 
> sectors. As I write this, MiniTool Partition Wizard is copying one of 
> the two partitions on the dying drive to a new drive.

Not good. Manufacturers have a history of setting hugely 
overoptimistic thresholds and if the SMART failure is the 
first you know it is often too late.

Best advice is to run something like HDDSentinel or the
smard from the smartmontools (I think the demon needs 
Linux though) to get an early warning. These warn you
when defectives start to show up.

Arno 

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#5544

In article <lo4odf$nhm$1@dont-email.me>,
Percival P. Cassidy <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
>I have a 500GB Seagate SATA drive (well past its 5-yr warranty 
>expiration date) that reports "S.M.A.R.T. tripped." SeaTools says it 
>can't recover anything from it, but is there any other tool that might 
>be able to clone it to another drive and allow me to retrieve some files?

Check out GNU ddrsecue. It will get everything it possibly can off the
drive. I've used it many many times to recover the good sectors from
drives with bad sectors. When it encounters a sector it can't read it
will skip over it and move on to the next one instead of aborting.
When used with a log file it's possible for it to resume where it left
off, so you can have it read all the good data, then put the drive in
the freezer, and try again to read all the bad sectors.

http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/

--
Chris Osborn
FozzTexx
http://insentricity.com
-- 
http://www.fozztexx.com/
http://blog.fozztexx.com/

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#5548

fozztexx@fozztexx.com wrote:
> In article <lo4odf$nhm$1@dont-email.me>,
> Percival P. Cassidy <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
>>I have a 500GB Seagate SATA drive (well past its 5-yr warranty 
>>expiration date) that reports "S.M.A.R.T. tripped." SeaTools says it 
>>can't recover anything from it, but is there any other tool that might 
>>be able to clone it to another drive and allow me to retrieve some files?

> Check out GNU ddrsecue. It will get everything it possibly can off the
> drive. I've used it many many times to recover the good sectors from
> drives with bad sectors. When it encounters a sector it can't read it
> will skip over it and move on to the next one instead of aborting.
> When used with a log file it's possible for it to resume where it left
> off, so you can have it read all the good data, then put the drive in
> the freezer, and try again to read all the bad sectors.

> http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/

I like dd_rescue better: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/
But that is a matter of taste.

Both are suitable for this kind of recovery task and both 
are free. You can get life-CDs/DVDs with them preinstalled.

Arno

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