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  Mpro dumps - but where? ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2011-12-29 19:25 +0000
    Re: Mpro dumps - but where? Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2011-12-29 23:43 +0000
      Re: Mpro dumps - but where? ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2011-12-30 01:08 +0000
        Re: Mpro dumps - but where? Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2011-12-30 22:27 +0000
          Re: Mpro dumps - but where? ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2012-01-09 11:18 +0000
      Re: Mpro dumps - but where? Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-12-30 08:19 +0000
        Re: Mpro dumps - but where? Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2011-12-30 09:17 +0000
          Re: Mpro dumps - but where? ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2011-12-31 03:30 +0000
            Re: Mpro dumps - but where? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2011-12-31 14:31 +0000
              Re: Mpro dumps - but where? ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> - 2011-12-31 21:32 +0000

#2521 — Mpro dumps - but where?

I'm using Mpro6.03, Hermes 2.56 and Netfetch 3.56.

Over the past three years, Ivan has sent many emails to me from his 
e-address in .ru with no problem.

Since last November, I believe, Mpro has been destroying his recent 
messages to me.

Around late November/early December this year, I began to notice in my 
'Unfetched messages' list, stuff like, '=?UTF-8?B?OJ3QsNGC.....' in 
the 'Sender' column and similar junk in the 'Subject' column. They 
never appeared in the 'Incoming mail' list so I assumed they were junk 
spam.

However, not having had email from Ivan over the festive season, I've 
clicked on one of these (new) 'Unfetched message' notifications and I 
now see that the rubbish ends with Ivan's email address within the 
characters '<>'. But I am unable to read his messages because when I 
'green tick' them, they don't appear in the 'Incoming mail' box and I 
can't think of a way to forward them to a PC.

1) I guess Mpro is responding to the rubbish. Where does the rubbish 
come from and how can it be avoided / supressed / stopped?
2) What can I do to open these emails?
3) Where have the previous emails gone? They don't seem to be in the 
waste basket.

-- 
BW Chris F. [British Iyonix Computer, operating RISC OS 5.16]

"Lager does, in truth, recoil upon the drinker, and the professor 
falls into the pit which he digs for another." Dr. Arthur Holmes.

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#2522

In message <6de4534952.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
          ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

> I'm using Mpro6.03, Hermes 2.56 and Netfetch 3.56.

> Over the past three years, Ivan has sent many emails to me from his
> e-address in .ru with no problem.

I seem to remember you did have an issue due to the .ru address a 
while back.

> Since last November, I believe, Mpro has been destroying his recent
> messages to me.

> Around late November/early December this year, I began to notice in my
> 'Unfetched messages' list, stuff like, '=?UTF-8?B?OJ3QsNGC.....' in
> the 'Sender' column and similar junk in the 'Subject' column. They
> never appeared in the 'Incoming mail' list so I assumed they were junk
> spam.

Its not "junk" as such its text encoded as UTF-8 (Unicode) which 
cannot be read properly by most RISC OS software, sadly its also a 
means of sending Spam as well

> However, not having had email from Ivan over the festive season, I've
> clicked on one of these (new) 'Unfetched message' notifications and I
> now see that the rubbish ends with Ivan's email address within the
> characters '<>'. But I am unable to read his messages because when I
> 'green tick' them, they don't appear in the 'Incoming mail' box and I
> can't think of a way to forward them to a PC.

Thats because you are mixing Messenger pro (the email client 'reader') 
and the email transport - Netfetch/Hermes.

Have a look in the Netfetch/Hermes logs and they will hopefully tell 
you were they were put. The green tick should have downloaded them, 
subject to no spam filters you have not deleting them as spam due to 
the UTF stuff in the subject or email address, etc.

> 1) I guess Mpro is responding to the rubbish. Where does the rubbish
> come from and how can it be avoided / supressed / stopped?

see it above its not Mpro its Hermes your email transport.

> 2) What can I do to open these emails?

a) add the email address to your whitelist in NetFetch/Hermes
b) enure you are not filtering them as spam due to the UTF staff in 
either NetFetch/Hermes or any other spam filter system you have.

> 3) Where have the previous emails gone? They don't seem to be in the
> waste basket.

Can't say based on the information you have been able to give us

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#2523

In message <0e846b4952.chris@o2.co.uk>
          Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Chris,

>> Over the past three years, Ivan has sent many emails to me from his
>> e-address in .ru with no problem.

> I seem to remember you did have an issue due to the .ru address a
> while back.

only ###@rambler.ru addresses, never this particular address from a 
different Russian ISP. (* Anyway, see below)


>> 'Unfetched messages' list, stuff like, '=?UTF-8?B?OJ3QsNGC.....' in
>> the 'Sender' column and similar junk in the 'Subject' column.

> Its not "junk" as such its text encoded as UTF-8 (Unicode) which
> cannot be read properly by most RISC OS software, sadly its also a
> means of sending Spam as well

OK.

> Have a look in the Netfetch/Hermes logs and they will hopefully tell
> you were they were put.

I can't find any help in these logs; but, then, I don't know what I 
should be looking for.

>> 2) What can I do to open these emails?

> a) add the email address to your whitelist in NetFetch/Hermes

OK I've added Ivans email address (as it appears within the <> 
brackets) on a new line below the list of # Instructions in 
Hermes/Filters/Whitelists/Global list/Edit.
I'm guessing that at least these 3 (* see below) will open the next 
time I re-launch my email software and green tick them - I'll let you 
know.

* Incidentally, having cleared all the other email from my 'Unfetched 
messages' list, I see that there are now only the 3 'gibberish' 
messages. 2 are from Ivan's address and the other is from 
'donotreply@mail.easyjet.com'!!!


-- 
BW Chris F. [British Iyonix Computer, operating RISC OS 5.16]

"With splash, not clink, this gold doth philosophy deliver." Sort 
Vikin.

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#2545

In message <bb44734952.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
          ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

> In message <0e846b4952.chris@o2.co.uk>
>           Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:


>>> 'Unfetched messages' list, stuff like, '=?UTF-8?B?OJ3QsNGC.....' in
>>> the 'Sender' column and similar junk in the 'Subject' column.

>> Its not "junk" as such its text encoded as UTF-8 (Unicode) which
>> cannot be read properly by most RISC OS software, sadly its also a
>> means of sending Spam as well

> OK.

>> Have a look in the Netfetch/Hermes logs and they will hopefully tell
>> you were they were put.

> I can't find any help in these logs; but, then, I don't know what I
> should be looking for.

You can increase the amount of detail in the logs but changing the 
settings in Netfetch/Hermes.

The point is that the logs will show where the email was passed to 
(delivered or deleted on a spam rule etc.).

>>> 2) What can I do to open these emails?

>> a) add the email address to your whitelist in NetFetch/Hermes

> OK I've added Ivans email address (as it appears within the <>
> brackets) on a new line below the list of # Instructions in
> Hermes/Filters/Whitelists/Global list/Edit.
> I'm guessing that at least these 3 (* see below) will open the next
> time I re-launch my email software and green tick them - I'll let you
> know.

This with only have an effect on new mail

> * Incidentally, having cleared all the other email from my 'Unfetched
> messages' list, I see that there are now only the 3 'gibberish'
> messages. 2 are from Ivan's address and the other is from
> 'donotreply@mail.easyjet.com'!!!

Have you booked a flight with easyjet, etc. ? If so its another legit 
email otherwise could well be spam.



-- 
Chris Hughes

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#2626

In message <9f5ee84952.chris@o2.co.uk>
          Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:



> Have you booked a flight with easyjet, etc. ? If so its another legit
> email otherwise could well be spam.

Sorry for not responding earlier.
Yes, I believe the emaikl is legit.
Anyway I think the substantive issue has gone away now - Thanks for 
your help.



-- 
BW Chris F. [British Iyonix Computer, operating RISC OS 5.16]

"I'll measure you, by gob! Let's lift our ale on high! To Lancaster!" 
Sort Vikin.

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#2525

On 29 Dec 2011  Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <6de4534952.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
>           ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

[snip]

>> 2) What can I do to open these emails?

> a) add the email address to your whitelist in NetFetch/Hermes
> b) enure you are not filtering them as spam due to the UTF staff in
> either NetFetch/Hermes or any other spam filter system you have.

You don't need to do both of these. A whitelist entry has precedence 
over a spam filter one. If you have the address whitelisted, and a 
spam filter set to trap the UTF stiff, as I have, the message from the 
whitelisted address will get through.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
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and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \      http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
        /  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

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#2526

In message <a6b89a4952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
          Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 29 Dec 2011  Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

>> In message <6de4534952.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
>>           ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

> [snip]

>>> 2) What can I do to open these emails?

>> a) add the email address to your whitelist in NetFetch/Hermes
>> b) enure you are not filtering them as spam due to the UTF staff in
>> either NetFetch/Hermes or any other spam filter system you have.

> You don't need to do both of these. A whitelist entry has precedence
> over a spam filter one. If you have the address whitelisted, and a
> spam filter set to trap the UTF stiff, as I have, the message from the
> whitelisted address will get through.

Only if he has no other Anti-spam software in between Hermes and 
Messenger Pro.

The spam filter can be cumulative - i.e. it could be tripped by some 
content and not just the UTF From or subject etc.

Or in this case since it can't work out the filtering for the email by 
the sounds of it, Turning off the filter of UTF stuff might help find 
out what is happening to these mails.



-- 
Chris Hughes

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#2538

In message <c80ea04952.chris@o2.co.uk>
          Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:



>> You don't need to do both of these. A whitelist entry has precedence
>> over a spam filter one. If you have the address whitelisted, and a
>> spam filter set to trap the UTF stiff, as I have, the message from the
>> whitelisted address will get through.


UTF ???


> Only if he has no other Anti-spam software in between Hermes and
> Messenger Pro.

> The spam filter can be cumulative - i.e. it could be tripped by some
> content and not just the UTF From or subject etc.

> Or in this case since it can't work out the filtering for the email by
> the sounds of it, Turning off the filter of UTF stuff might help find
> out what is happening to these mails.

Your advice re the white list seems to have done the trick and each of 
the two emails from Ivan slipped into the 'Incoming Mail'. I guess the 
easijet one would do as well, if I added its address to the white 
list.

And no, I don't have any other non-Mpro/Hermes filter facility.

So, effectively that's another email problem solved. Thank-you.

But what I still don't understand is why, since November 2011, this 
problem has just popped-up. I can accept that the gibberish preceding 
his <>enclosed email address (which I assume is the cause of the 
problem) is some sort of coding, but why aren't all email addresses 
blessed the same?

-- 
BW Chris F. [British Iyonix Computer, operating RISC OS 5.16]

"In the pub, everyone will be famous for fifteen minutes." Andre 
Conflict Void.

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#2541

In a mad moment - ChrisF  mumbled :

[snip]
> So, effectively that's another email problem solved. Thank-you.

> But what I still don't understand is why, since November 2011, this
> problem has just popped-up. I can accept that the gibberish preceding
> his <>enclosed email address (which I assume is the cause of the
> problem) is some sort of coding, but why aren't all email addresses
> blessed the same?
Is your russian friend using the newly available Cyrillic domain 
naming as part of the header of his mail?


-- 
|)    [
|)ryn [vans            mail to - BrynEvans@bryork.freeuk.com

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#2546

In message <csaaa1a3404a52.Bryn@yo.rk>
          Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> wrote:


> Is your russian friend using the newly available Cyrillic domain
> naming as part of the header of his mail?

Ah, there you have me.

Clearly he still has the same email address but I know nothing of any 
'improvements' being made by Russian isp's. I am assuming you know 
something I don't. Such a change may well explain this 'new' string of 
gibberish which precedes his e-address. No doubt this long string is, 
in part, explained by its interpretation of Cyrillic?

Am I correct in my belief that when I see (in non-Russian Email) a 
person's name preceeding their <>-wrapped e-address, it's because of 
the way they have set-up their (for instance) Outlook Express? (As 
opposed to anything I might have stored about them within my email 
software.)

-- 
BW Chris F. [British Iyonix Computer, operating RISC OS 5.16]

"The government of a coffee shop is the despotism of liberty against 
the quaffer." Maximum Robespierre.

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