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  magic number for mcrypt "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2014-11-15 18:30 -0500
    Re: magic number for mcrypt Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> - 2014-11-15 18:27 -0800
      Re: magic number for mcrypt "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2014-11-15 21:54 -0500
        Re: magic number for mcrypt Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> - 2014-11-15 19:02 -0800
          Re: magic number for mcrypt Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> - 2014-11-15 19:08 -0800
            Re: magic number for mcrypt gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-11-16 06:52 +0000
              Re: magic number for mcrypt Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> - 2014-11-16 01:10 -0800
            Re: magic number for mcrypt "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2014-11-16 14:01 -0500
              Re: magic number for mcrypt Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-11-16 11:56 -0800
                Re: magic number for mcrypt Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2014-11-18 03:50 +0000
                  Re: magic number for mcrypt "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2014-11-17 23:56 -0500
              Re: magic number for mcrypt "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2014-11-16 15:34 -0500
                Re: magic number for mcrypt William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2014-11-16 22:16 +0000
                  Re: magic number for mcrypt "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2014-11-17 16:47 -0500
                    Re: magic number for mcrypt William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2014-11-17 23:43 +0000
                      Re: magic number for mcrypt Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-11-18 00:36 +0000
                      Re: magic number for mcrypt "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2014-11-17 23:02 -0500
                Re: magic number for mcrypt Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-11-16 17:39 -0800
                  Re: magic number for mcrypt "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2014-11-17 16:22 -0500
          Re: magic number for mcrypt "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2014-11-16 13:59 -0500

#12711 — magic number for mcrypt

    The 'file' command recognizes an encrypted file from mcrypt but I can't 
find anywhere online the hex "magic number" that identifies the format. It 
could be a long series of hex numbers or short. Does anyone know mcrypt's 
signature?

Bill

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#12712

On 11/15/2014 3:30 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> The 'file' command recognizes an encrypted file from mcrypt but I can't 
> find anywhere online the hex "magic number" that identifies the format. It 
> could be a long series of hex numbers or short. Does anyone know mcrypt's 
> signature?

$ man file | grep 'default magic' | head -1
/usr/share/misc/magic  Directory containing default magic files.

$ cd /usr/share/misc

$ ll
total 2336
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  600570 Mar 15  2012 magic
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1786200 Mar 15  2012 magic.mgc

$ grep mcrypt *
magic:# $File: mcrypt,v 1.5 2009/09/19 16:28:10 christos Exp $
magic:# mcrypt:   file(1) magic for mcrypt 2.2.x;
magic:0 string            \0m\3     mcrypt 2.5 encrypted data,
magic:0 string            \0m\2     mcrypt 2.2 encrypted data,
Binary file magic.mgc matches


Thad

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#12713

"Thad Floryan" <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote in message 
news:54680B82.3000700@thadlabs.com...
> On 11/15/2014 3:30 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>> The 'file' command recognizes an encrypted file from mcrypt but I can't
>> find anywhere online the hex "magic number" that identifies the format. 
>> It
>> could be a long series of hex numbers or short. Does anyone know mcrypt's
>> signature?
>
> $ man file | grep 'default magic' | head -1
> /usr/share/misc/magic  Directory containing default magic files.
>
> $ cd /usr/share/misc
>
> $ ll
> total 2336
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  600570 Mar 15  2012 magic
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1786200 Mar 15  2012 magic.mgc
>
> $ grep mcrypt *
> magic:# $File: mcrypt,v 1.5 2009/09/19 16:28:10 christos Exp $
> magic:# mcrypt:   file(1) magic for mcrypt 2.2.x;
> magic:0 string            \0m\3     mcrypt 2.5 encrypted data,
> magic:0 string            \0m\2     mcrypt 2.2 encrypted data,
> Binary file magic.mgc matches

    I've never seen a string as a magic number in a hexdump. How and where 
would that be exactly in a hexdump of a mcrypted file?

Bill

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#12714

On 11/15/2014 6:54 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> [...]
>     I've never seen a string as a magic number in a hexdump. How and where 
> would that be exactly in a hexdump of a mcrypted file?

$ man magic

Last free answer you get since you don't bother using your
own system to lookup answers.

Thad

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#12715

On 11/15/2014 7:02 PM, Thad Floryan wrote:
> On 11/15/2014 6:54 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>> [...]
>>     I've never seen a string as a magic number in a hexdump. How and where 
>> would that be exactly in a hexdump of a mcrypted file?
> 
> $ man magic
> 
> Last free answer you get since you don't bother using your
> own system to lookup answers.

You obviously need to read this, too:

    http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Thad

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#12716

In article <54681541.4070306@thadlabs.com>,
Thad Floryan  <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote:
>On 11/15/2014 7:02 PM, Thad Floryan wrote:
>> On 11/15/2014 6:54 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>     I've never seen a string as a magic number in a hexdump. How and where 
>>> would that be exactly in a hexdump of a mcrypted file?
>> 
>> $ man magic
>> 
>> Last free answer you get since you don't bother using your
>> own system to lookup answers.
>
>You obviously need to read this, too:
>
>    http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>Thad

Welcome to the world of the Cunningham troll.  We hope you enjoy your stay.
Enjoy your time mud-wrestling^Winteracting with the Cunningham troll.

-- 
"Unattended children will be given an espresso and a free kitten."

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#12717

On 11/15/2014 10:52 PM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <54681541.4070306@thadlabs.com>,
> Thad Floryan  <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote:
>> On 11/15/2014 7:02 PM, Thad Floryan wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2014 6:54 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>     I've never seen a string as a magic number in a hexdump. How and where 
>>>> would that be exactly in a hexdump of a mcrypted file?
>>> $ man magic
>>>
>>> Last free answer you get since you don't bother using your
>>> own system to lookup answers.
>> You obviously need to read this, too:
>>
>>    http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>> Thad
> 
> Welcome to the world of the Cunningham troll.  We hope you enjoy your stay.
> Enjoy your time mud-wrestling^Winteracting with the Cunningham troll.

Hi Kenny,

I suspected that he was asking for someone to do his homework, hence
my terse answer.

Thank you for confirming my gut feeling; he's now plonked.

I've been using Usenet since 1981 and have a knack for reading between
the lines to suss out what's really being asked and/or said, and the
fact his email "address" is that of an anonymous coward cinches it.

Thad

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#12719

"Thad Floryan" <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote in message 
news:54681541.4070306@thadlabs.com...

> You obviously need to read this, too:
>
>    http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

    Fuck that. I don't "need" to read anything.

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#12720

On 11/16/2014 11:01 AM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> "Thad Floryan" <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote in message
> news:54681541.4070306@thadlabs.com...
>
>> You obviously need to read this, too:
>>
>>     http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>      Fuck that. I don't "need" to read anything.
>
>

	Then you do not need to be subscribed to this newsgroup.
If I could unsubscribe you I would but since I cannot
	P L O N K

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#12729

On 2014-11-16, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> On 11/16/2014 11:01 AM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>> "Thad Floryan" <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote in message
>> news:54681541.4070306@thadlabs.com...
>>
>>> You obviously need to read this, too:
>>>
>>>     http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>>      Fuck that. I don't "need" to read anything.
>>
>>
>
> 	Then you do not need to be subscribed to this newsgroup.
> If I could unsubscribe you I would but since I cannot
> 	P L O N K

I'll second that.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#12731

"Robert Riches" <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote in message 
news:slrnm6lgg8.hmt.spamtrap42@one.localnet...

> I'll second that.

    Don't forget plonk. The most beautiful sound on usenet!

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#12721

>> "Thad Floryan" <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote in >>message 
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

<OT>

    The above mentioned usenet "rules" site proves just how intrinsically 
"irrelevant" usenet is or has become because of itself. NO ONE can possibly 
follow all rules at all times. It boils down to "classes" the in-group or 
out-group. I ninety percent of the time lurk usenet, I don't particularly 
like usenet.

    The outgroup not being as good or well off as the in group can't get by 
sometimes with a typo. While the in-grouper says as he pleases. I think we 
all really know this. And "trolls" or accused trolls proves there isn't a 
"sixth sense" among the in-group that tells all.

</OT>

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#12722

On 2014-11-16, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>>> "Thad Floryan" <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote in >>message 
>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
><OT>
>
>     The above mentioned usenet "rules" site proves just how intrinsically 
> "irrelevant" usenet is or has become because of itself. NO ONE can possibly 
> follow all rules at all times. It boils down to "classes" the in-group or 
> out-group. I ninety percent of the time lurk usenet, I don't particularly 
> like usenet.

The smart-questions "rules" (which are not rules) is a set of
suggestions as to how to frame your questions so that you have a chance
of getting helpful replies. If you do not want to get helpful replies,
for example your post is just a way of venting your frustration, it
would help to let others know that so they need not waste their time
trying to help. 

>
>     The outgroup not being as good or well off as the in group can't get by 
> sometimes with a typo. While the in-grouper says as he pleases. I think we 
> all really know this. And "trolls" or accused trolls proves there isn't a 
> "sixth sense" among the in-group that tells all.

It has nothing to do with out or in groups, or with finances. I have no
idea if you are on welfare or earn a million dollars a day, nor do I
want to know. 
>
></OT>
>
>

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#12726

"William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message 
news:m4b7nc$mij$1@dont-email.me...
> On 2014-11-16, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "Thad Floryan" <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote in >>message
>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>><OT>
>>
>>     The above mentioned usenet "rules" site proves just how intrinsically
>> "irrelevant" usenet is or has become because of itself. NO ONE can 
>> possibly
>> follow all rules at all times. It boils down to "classes" the in-group or
>> out-group. I ninety percent of the time lurk usenet, I don't particularly
>> like usenet.
>
> The smart-questions "rules" (which are not rules) is a set of
> suggestions as to how to frame your questions so that you have a chance
> of getting helpful replies. If you do not want to get helpful replies,
> for example your post is just a way of venting

And I maked it OT. For that reason.

your frustration, it
> would help to let others know that so they need not waste their time
> trying to help.
>
>>
>>     The outgroup not being as good or well off as the in group can't get 
>> by
>> sometimes with a typo. While the in-grouper says as he pleases. I think 
>> we
>> all really know this. And "trolls" or accused trolls proves there isn't a
>> "sixth sense" among the in-group that tells all.
>
> It has nothing to do with out or in groups, or with finances. I have no
> idea if you are on welfare or earn a million dollars a day, nor do I
> want to know.

Let me explain, from the mentioned list site and notice what is in 
parenthesis.

"Spell, punctuate, and capitalize correctly. Don't confuse "its" with "it's", 
"loose" with "lose", or "discrete" with "discreet". Don't TYPE IN ALL CAPS; 
this is read as shouting and considered rude. (All-smalls is only slightly 
less annoying, as it's difficult to read. Alan Cox can get away with it, but 
you can't.)"

    "Alan Cox can get away with it, but you can't" That suggests to me there 
are two groups. "Alan Cox" and "you". A programmer and non-programmer. 
Programmers look down on non-programmers. Hence usenet becomes a "social 
group" for programmers. Any help one gets is by pure chance.

    I have been around usenet for a while. It has been suggested by others 
to get programming books. I have some. I had no where to turn one time and 
came to usenet. I explained to the same people who suggested books the 
problem, they said that the books were wrong and I needed to ignore them. I 
am not sure whether someone was "messing" with me or what. But I didn't get 
any help there.

    Because the "rules" or "suggestions" whatever they are are almost 
excluding usenet. Usenet "intrinsically" is cutting its' own throat.  I say 
if Alan Cox is excluded from things others aren't then my proposition is 
that there is indeed "Innies" and "Outties". It is also says to not say 
certain things to people in the site mentioned. "Seniors" are to do this? 
That is a pack. A group. I see no non-sequitors here. Let me know if you do.

    This is also a warning to those new to usenet. about Usenet. Or USENET. 
Oops, I guess I shouted. The leader needs to make a decision.

>> </OT>

HTH

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#12727

On 2014-11-17, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Let me explain, from the mentioned list site and notice what is in 
> parenthesis.
>
> "Spell, punctuate, and capitalize correctly. Don't confuse "its" with "it's", 
> "loose" with "lose", or "discrete" with "discreet". Don't TYPE IN ALL CAPS; 
> this is read as shouting and considered rude. (All-smalls is only slightly 
> less annoying, as it's difficult to read. Alan Cox can get away with it, but 
> you can't.)"

The first is standard practice if you want to be read and understood by
people. It makes more work for them trying to disentable your meaning if
you do not follow conventions. 

>
>     "Alan Cox can get away with it, but you can't" That suggests to me there 
> are two groups. "Alan Cox" and "you". A programmer and non-programmer. 
> Programmers look down on non-programmers. Hence usenet becomes a "social 
> group" for programmers. Any help one gets is by pure chance.

If someone  has a long history of being helpful, people are willing to
put up with his peculiarities because they get far more out of him then
they lose by having to disentagle his phrases. Ie, if you are a stranger
and you come in with bad spelling, and are asking for help, people are
going to be much less tolerant of you, since they are pretty sure that
not only will it cost them in trying to figure out what you are going to
say, but also in the effort to try to help you. It also tends very
roughly to be true that people with loads of spelling mistakes and lots
of use of capitals are also the ones that get obnoxious very quickly
when you try to help them. Not always. Sometimes that drunk in the bar
whose every second word is "fuck" turns out to be the most insightful
person there. But rarely. It is a cost-benefit
analysis, and if you want help, it is important to skew that as much in
your own favour as you possibly can. 

>
>     I have been around usenet for a while. It has been suggested by others 
> to get programming books. I have some. I had no where to turn one time and 
> came to usenet. I explained to the same people who suggested books the 
> problem, they said that the books were wrong and I needed to ignore them. I 
> am not sure whether someone was "messing" with me or what. But I didn't get 
> any help there.

It happens. Yes, occasionally books are wrong. Or it can be very
difficult to find the right section. Asking on usenet is fine. And yes,
you may get some people answering who either do not know what they are
talking about. You have to learn how to filter. Remember usenet is like
a pub on Fri night. Some conversations are brilliant, helpful, and make
you smarter, some are obnoxious, opinionated and wrong. I would say
usenet is closer to the former than the latter, but not entirely. 

>
>     Because the "rules" or "suggestions" whatever they are are almost 
> excluding usenet. Usenet "intrinsically" is cutting its' own throat.  I say 

??? You think usenet is some monolithic organisation like say Microsoft?
There is not throat to cut. It is a random bunch of people getting
together to talk and sometimes to help each other. Yes, some people are
there only to snipe, to display their own ignorance, to be a pain in the
neck, just like your corner pub. 

If you want to pay some consultant $100/hr to answer your questions you
can. If you want to interact with people whose expertise is far far
greater than anyone you could get for $100/hr, come to usenet, but the
cost is that you must discriminate between them and the others whose
advice is worth minus $100/hr. (Ie that is what you would pay not to
have to listen to them). Many of us think the tradeoff is worth it. If
you do not, don't come to usenet. 


> if Alan Cox is excluded from things others aren't then my proposition is 
> that there is indeed "Innies" and "Outties". It is also says to not say 

Of course there are. That drunk who always comes over to you and tells
you his life story, or his latest uninformed opinions will get a lot
less attention from you in the bar than your friend who always helps you.

> certain things to people in the site mentioned. "Seniors" are to do this? 
> That is a pack. A group. I see no non-sequitors here. Let me know if you do.

I see a bunch of incoherent sentence fragments. 

>
>     This is also a warning to those new to usenet. about Usenet. Or USENET. 
> Oops, I guess I shouted. The leader needs to make a decision.

What leader? You have entirely the wrong image of what Usenet is. 

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#12728

On 17/11/14 23:43, William Unruh wrote:
> If someone  has a long history of being helpful, people are willing to
> put up with his peculiarities because they get far more out of him then
> they lose by having to disentagle his phrases. Ie, if you are a stranger
> and you come in with bad spelling, and are asking for help, people are
> going to be much less tolerant of you, since they are pretty sure that
> not only will it cost them in trying to figure out what you are going to
> say, but also in the effort to try to help you.


Indeed.

If someone at work logs a problem with:

"I went to this URL and it did blah..."

and another person sends me an email (not logs a ticket) with some vague 
complaint that project X from 80 projects "isn't working":

Guess which one gets looked at first?


That is not some BOFH attitude - I'm paid to look at both problems. Both 
are usually equal priority. So the person who is succinct and 
communicative gets their problem fixed (if possible) first because I 
like to clear a few quick jobs before getting bogged down in long winded 
and/or awkward ones - it's good for my psyche!

And the URL is enough for me to resolve:

a) Server name (via DNS)

b) Which apache VHOST and then which web component is exhibiting the 
problem.

Yes I do tell people from time to time that giving me the URL is the 
best bit of info they can give :)

I don't much care about spelling and grammar as long as it's still more 
or less clear. However, when a student sends me something in SMS-speak 
such as:

"pls can u fx this 4 me or my s-ay will be l8 k thx", it will get thrown 
back on principle!

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#12730

"William Unruh" <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in message 
news:m4e16p$258$1@dont-email.me...

[...]

> I see a bunch of incoherent sentence fragments.

    And its been awhile and I don't remember my grammer well. But you can 
bet after you bringing this up to me that I will be checking it out.
>>
>>     This is also a warning to those new to usenet. about Usenet. Or 
>> USENET.
>> Oops, I guess I shouted. The leader needs to make a decision.
>
> What leader? You have entirely the wrong image of what Usenet is.

    I was lurking around one day and overread a discussion about the future 
of usenet. It was interesting the opinions. My ISP after a long time did 
away with their server. I asked why and they said it wasn't being used. And 
they're not alone. These "suggestions" put usenet at the bottom of the list. 
Well to express my opinion I see usenet slowly drying up. It's a shame too.

    And your saying things are a trade off good and bad is insightful. I say 
even to slightly not worth it. Following the suggestions does not work too 
well for me.

    And to your question "What leader?" Their seems to be an old fart that 
decides who is sincere and who isn't. (Some groups are worse than others.) 
some rally to him others don't. A group of better and less than better. 
That's what I see quite a bit of.

Bill

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#12723

On 2014-11-16, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>
>     The above mentioned usenet "rules" site proves just how intrinsically 
> "irrelevant" usenet is or has become because of itself.

If it's irrelevant why don't you ask all your questions elsewhere?

--keith


-- 
kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
(try just my userid to email me)
AOLSFAQ=http://www.therockgarden.ca/aolsfaq.txt
see X- headers for PGP signature information

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#12725

"Keith Keller" <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote in message 
news:t60ojbxvjk.ln2@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us...
> On 2014-11-16, Bill Cunningham <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>     The above mentioned usenet "rules" site proves just how intrinsically
>> "irrelevant" usenet is or has become because of itself.
>
> If it's irrelevant why don't you ask all your questions elsewhere?

    For the most part I do. As the mentioned list supra says usenet should 
be the last on the list. So basically usenet is "irrelevant".

Bill

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#12718

"Thad Floryan" <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote in message 
news:546813E3.1070205@thadlabs.com...
> On 11/15/2014 6:54 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>> [...]
>>     I've never seen a string as a magic number in a hexdump. How and 
>> where
>> would that be exactly in a hexdump of a mcrypted file?
>
> $ man magic
>
> Last free answer you get since you don't bother using your
> own system to lookup answers.
>
> Thad

Full quote:

"The 'file' command recognizes an encrypted file from mcrypt but I can't
find anywhere online the hex "magic number" that identifies the format. It
could be a long series of hex numbers or short. Does anyone know mcrypt's
signature?"

Full quote includes "...I can't find anywhere online..."

Suggestion, "Something" has been done. No "not do your homework". Maybe not 
to the extent you like. I'm not a linux shell pipe master and didn't know a 
file like that existed. But as you say you knew this BEFORE you responded.

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