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  Linux? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-31 09:33 -0700
    Re: Linux? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 12:37 -0400
      Re: Linux? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-31 14:40 -0700
        Re: Linux? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-31 18:04 -0400
    Re: Linux? xJumper <sugarman@mailinator.com> - 2018-08-31 13:34 -0400
    Re: Linux? mrvtktjv <mrvtktjv@mp107.ct8.pl> - 2018-09-01 00:06 +0200
    Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-01 10:53 +0000
      Re: Linux? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2018-09-01 20:34 -0400
      Re: Linux? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2018-09-02 01:15 +0000
      Re: Linux? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-04 01:51 -0700
        Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-04 13:31 +0000
          Re: Linux? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-04 10:09 -0700
            Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-04 17:39 +0000
              Re: Linux? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-05 14:15 -0400
                Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-06 15:32 +0000
                  Re: Linux? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-06 20:16 -0400
                    Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-07 15:33 +0000
                      Re: Linux? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-07 12:40 -0400
                        Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-07 17:10 +0000
                          Re: Linux? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-08 17:51 -0400
              Re: Linux? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-05 12:50 -0700
              Re: Linux? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-05 12:59 -0700
                Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-06 13:53 +0000
                  Re: Linux? 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-09-06 09:04 -0700
                    Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-06 18:09 +0000
                      Re: Linux? 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-09-06 18:35 -0700
                        Re: Linux? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-07 14:59 -0700
                          Re: Linux? 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-09-08 21:18 -0700
                  Re: Linux? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-09-06 19:20 -0700
                  Re: Linux? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-07 14:29 -0700
                    Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-08 16:04 +0000
                      Re: Linux? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-09-08 11:03 -0700
                        Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-08 19:18 +0000
                          Re: Linux? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-09-08 19:00 -0700
                            Re: Linux? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-09 15:05 +0000
                              Re: Linux? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-09-09 09:22 -0700
                          Re: Linux? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-09 19:08 -0700
                      Re: Linux? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-08 17:51 -0400
    Re:Linux? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:16 +0200

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#55325 — Linux?

FromT <T@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-08-31 09:33 -0700
SubjectLinux?
Message-ID<pmbqkg$vd7$1@dont-email.me>
Hi All,

    Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
Android apps?

Many thanks,
-T

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#55326

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-08-31 12:37 -0400
Message-ID<310820181237295118%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55325
In article <pmbqkg$vd7$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>     Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
> Android apps?

some chromebooks do:
<https://www.androidcentral.com/these-are-chromebooks-can-run-android-li
nux-apps>

how well that works varies...

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#55360

FromT <T@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-08-31 14:40 -0700
Message-ID<pmcckj$oa9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#55326
On 08/31/2018 09:37 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <pmbqkg$vd7$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>      Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
>> Android apps?
> 
> some chromebooks do:
> <https://www.androidcentral.com/these-are-chromebooks-can-run-android-li
> nux-apps>
> 
> how well that works varies...
> 

This looks like the base OS is Android.  :'(

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#55362

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-08-31 18:04 -0400
Message-ID<310820181804272268%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55360
In article <pmcckj$oa9$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >>      Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
> >> Android apps?
> > 
> > some chromebooks do:
> > <https://www.androidcentral.com/these-are-chromebooks-can-run-android-li
> > nux-apps>
> > 
> > how well that works varies...
> > 
> 
> This looks like the base OS is Android.  :'(

chromebooks run chromeos.

if you want to run android apps, get an android device. 

running android apps on anything other than what they were originally
designed to be used is going to bring compromises.

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#55327

FromxJumper <sugarman@mailinator.com>
Date2018-08-31 13:34 -0400
Message-ID<c_eiD.45304$Ac3.43893@fx45.iad>
In reply to#55325
On 08/31/2018 12:33 PM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>    Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
> Android apps?
> 
> Many thanks,
> -T

If I'm not mistaken, there is a sort of project right now to have Linux
based phones/tablets, it's called "Libreme" or something AND there is
basically something else whose name escapes me right now but it's
supposed to be like Wine but for Linux to run Android apps.

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#55363

Frommrvtktjv <mrvtktjv@mp107.ct8.pl>
Date2018-09-01 00:06 +0200
Message-ID<pmce47$1fm4$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#55325
W dniu 31.08.2018 o 18:33, T pisze:
> Hi All,
> 
>     Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
> Android apps?
> 
> Many thanks,
> -T
Sailfish OS has Android compatibility layer on official releases for 
devices.
Not sure if there currently are any tablets available though.

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#55389

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2018-09-01 10:53 +0000
Message-ID<pme22r.4h0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#55325
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>     Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
> Android apps?

  Why not do it the other way around, run Linux 'apps' on an Android
tablet?

'Termux'
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>

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#55448

Frommicky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com>
Date2018-09-01 20:34 -0400
Message-ID<40cmod10aapk8vbn1ivp9jhauogonc5nd8@4ax.com>
In reply to#55389
In comp.mobile.android, on 1 Sep 2018 10:53:18 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>>     Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
>> Android apps?
>
>  Why not do it the other way around, run Linux 'apps' on an Android
>tablet?
>
>'Termux'
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>

How about on a Yellow, Lined tablet. 

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#55449

FromEli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
Date2018-09-02 01:15 +0000
Message-ID<eli$1809012115@qaz.wtf>
In reply to#55389
In comp.mobile.android, Frank Slootweg  <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>     Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
>> Android apps?
> Why not do it the other way around, run Linux 'apps' on an Android
> tablet?
> 
> 'Termux'

Works great for most non-GUI stuff. I don't think you can do anything
graphical (as more than curses) with it. And I've been having some
issues getting CUPS working under it.

But vim, curses games like moria or tint, sure. I even got trn4 working
under it, but that was a bit of a tricky build.

Elijah
------
rn / trn is prepared for a lot of weird systems but not one with no /bin/sh

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#55522

FromT <T@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-09-04 01:51 -0700
Message-ID<pmlh3c$7ps$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#55389
On 09/01/2018 03:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>      Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
>> Android apps?
> 
>    Why not do it the other way around, run Linux 'apps' on an Android
> tablet?
> 
> 'Termux'
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>
> 


me no want google spying

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#55524

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2018-09-04 13:31 +0000
Message-ID<pmm8fs.59s.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#55522
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 09/01/2018 03:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >>      Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
> >> Android apps?
> > 
> >    Why not do it the other way around, run Linux 'apps' on an Android
> > tablet?
> > 
> > 'Termux'
> > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>
> 
> me no want google spying

  Please explain what *you* meand by that! I'm afraid our crystal balls
are not *that* good.

  Does that mean you don't want to use the Google Play store? If so,
just get the APK from a reliable source (I use apkpure.com).

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#55528

FromT <T@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-09-04 10:09 -0700
Message-ID<pmme7t$kvc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#55524
On 09/04/2018 06:31 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 09/01/2018 03:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>       Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
>>>> Android apps?
>>>
>>>     Why not do it the other way around, run Linux 'apps' on an Android
>>> tablet?
>>>
>>> 'Termux'
>>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>
>>
>> me no want google spying
> 
>    Please explain what *you* meand by that! I'm afraid our crystal balls
> are not *that* good.
> 
>    Does that mean you don't want to use the Google Play store? If so,
> just get the APK from a reliable source (I use apkpure.com).
> 

I want to run Netflix and such but I do not what
the constant Google telemetry spying that comes
build into to Android.

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#55529

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2018-09-04 17:39 +0000
Message-ID<pmmn22.bqo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#55528
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 09/04/2018 06:31 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 09/01/2018 03:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>>       Is there a Linux tablet out there yet that will run
> >>>> Android apps?
> >>>
> >>>     Why not do it the other way around, run Linux 'apps' on an Android
> >>> tablet?
> >>>
> >>> 'Termux'
> >>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>
> >>
> >> me no want google spying
> > 
> >    Please explain what *you* meand by that! I'm afraid our crystal balls
> > are not *that* good.
> > 
> >    Does that mean you don't want to use the Google Play store? If so,
> > just get the APK from a reliable source (I use apkpure.com).
> > 
> 
> I want to run Netflix and such but I do not what
> the constant Google telemetry spying that comes
> build into to Android.

  Then why do you want Android, i.e. what kind of Android apps do you
want to run?

  And why do you want Linux?

  I.e. tell us a bit more about what you want to do with the tablet and
perhaps we can give some other suggestions.

  BTW, for Netflix, you could use small/cheap(ish) Windows tablet.

  BTW2, you do not need a Google account to run Android or Android apps
and *if* you use a Google account it can be as fake/private as you want,
so there's little/nothing for Google to spy.

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#55558

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-09-05 14:15 -0400
Message-ID<050920181415472167%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55529
In article <pmmn22.bqo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>   BTW2, you do not need a Google account to run Android or Android apps
> and *if* you use a Google account it can be as fake/private as you want,
> so there's little/nothing for Google to spy.

there is still quite a bit for them to spy and they certainly won't be
fooled by a fake name.

google knows the imei and other hardware identifiers, and if the phone
has active cellular service, they know who owns the account via the
cell carriers. location data will show where the person lives and works
and otherwise spends their time. google also knows what ip addresses
the device connects from, which will match other computers the person
uses. a lot of apps and web sites use google analytics and other
tracking, adding even more data.

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#55582

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2018-09-06 15:32 +0000
Message-ID<pmro9u.46o.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#55558
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <pmmn22.bqo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >   BTW2, you do not need a Google account to run Android or Android apps
> > and *if* you use a Google account it can be as fake/private as you want,
> > so there's little/nothing for Google to spy.
> 
> there is still quite a bit for them to spy and they certainly won't be
> fooled by a fake name.
> 
> google knows the imei and other hardware identifiers, and if the phone
> has active cellular service, they know who owns the account via the
> cell carriers.

  What 'phone'?

  And even if this *was* about a 'phone', which it isn't, or a tablet
with cellular, Google does not have any access to subscriber details, at
least not in the EU (GDPR) and probably not in the rest of the civilized
world (which may or may not include the US).

> 		 location data will show where the person lives and works
> and otherwise spends their time. google also knows what ip addresses
> the device connects from, which will match other computers the person
> uses. a lot of apps and web sites use google analytics and other
> tracking, adding even more data.

  Given that he does not want Google to 'spy', it's unlikely that the OP
will want/enable Location Services, but even if 'he' does, there is no
such thing as 'the person'. Google may *try* to identify a unique
individual, but as long as they fsck up detection of *legit* access to
their servers, we shouldn't be too worried.

  And then there's the GDPR. If they *really* collect personal
information without consent, fines of up to two percent of their
turnover will get them in line quick smart.

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#55590

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-09-06 20:16 -0400
Message-ID<060920182016219789%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55582
In article <pmro9u.46o.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > >   BTW2, you do not need a Google account to run Android or Android apps
> > > and *if* you use a Google account it can be as fake/private as you want,
> > > so there's little/nothing for Google to spy.
> > 
> > there is still quite a bit for them to spy and they certainly won't be
> > fooled by a fake name.
> > 
> > google knows the imei and other hardware identifiers, and if the phone
> > has active cellular service, they know who owns the account via the
> > cell carriers.
> 
>   What 'phone'?

most android devices are phones, but many tablets have a cellular radio.

tablets without a cellular radio won't have an imei, but they still
have a unique device id along with other unique identifying
information. they are not immune from tracking just because there's no
cell radio.

>   And even if this *was* about a 'phone', which it isn't, or a tablet
> with cellular, Google does not have any access to subscriber details, at
> least not in the EU (GDPR) and probably not in the rest of the civilized
> world (which may or may not include the US).

the info can be obtained in other ways if the carrier doesn't provide
it, including via data brokers who collect and resell user data or
something as innocent as another person adding your mobile number (and
perhaps home & work numbers along with street address) to their google
contacts. it only takes one leak to connect the dots, and that leak can
be from just about anyone.

> >       location data will show where the person lives and works
> > and otherwise spends their time. google also knows what ip addresses
> > the device connects from, which will match other computers the person
> > uses. a lot of apps and web sites use google analytics and other
> > tracking, adding even more data.
> 
>   Given that he does not want Google to 'spy', it's unlikely that the OP
> will want/enable Location Services,

as it turns out, disabling that doesn't actually matter:

<https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/13/17684660/google-turn-off-location-hi
story-data>
  You may have assumed that turning off Google¹s Location History
  option meant that Google is no longer tracking your movements. But
  the reality is that Google can continue to collect location data and
  even track you on a minute-by-minute basis, remembering your home
  address, and other places you¹ve visited throughout the day, the
  Associated Press reports.

they also know your general location via the ip addresses from which
the device connects, which it must do to be useful. 

> but even if 'he' does, there is no
> such thing as 'the person'. Google may *try* to identify a unique
> individual, but as long as they fsck up detection of *legit* access to
> their servers, we shouldn't be too worried.

may try??

google's entire business model is collecting user data to better sell
ad placement.

the more info they have, the more effective ads they can sell and the
more money they make.

it's not 'may try', but 'how much can we try and get away with'.

>   And then there's the GDPR. If they *really* collect personal
> information without consent, fines of up to two percent of their
> turnover will get them in line quick smart.

you're assuming it's done without consent. that would be wrong.

users gave full consent when they agreed with the terms of service. 

it doesn't matter if they actually read it (most did not). they tapped
agree. 

google's statement (from the above link):
  Google¹s stance is that Location History¹s purpose and functionality
  is clearly spelled out to users. A Google spokesperson said in a
  statement to The Verge, ³Location History is a Google product that is
  entirely opt in, and users have the controls to edit, delete, or turn
  it off at any time.

although many would disagree with 'clearly spelled out' and 'opt-in'
(it's anything *but* clear and the default is on, not off), but they
*did* agree to the tos and the settings enabled access to the
information. in other words, consent.

also from the above link:
  This isn¹t the first time we¹ve heard of Google tracking your
  location regardless of whether you have location services turned on.
  Last November, Quartz reported that Android phones still collect your
  location data from nearby cell towers and send it to Google, even if
  you toggle off location services and take out your SIM card. Google
  later said it would remove the data-collecting feature by December of
  last year. This time, it¹s a little different because instead of it
  being cell towers that are the culprit, it¹s web services. But if
  anyone pays close enough attention to the fine print of permissions
  agreements, they can catch what tech companies are doing.

even if users do pay attention to the fine print (which few people do),
it's not always obvious what they're actually doing.

tl;dr - it's *really* hard to avoid being tracked, and not just by
google.

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#55602

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2018-09-07 15:33 +0000
Message-ID<pmucpi.brs.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#55590
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <pmro9u.46o.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > > >   BTW2, you do not need a Google account to run Android or Android apps
> > > > and *if* you use a Google account it can be as fake/private as you want,
> > > > so there's little/nothing for Google to spy.
> > > 
> > > there is still quite a bit for them to spy and they certainly won't be
> > > fooled by a fake name.
> > > 
> > > google knows the imei and other hardware identifiers, and if the phone
> > > has active cellular service, they know who owns the account via the
> > > cell carriers.
> > 
> >   What 'phone'?

[(More) Out-of-context stuff deleted.]

> >   Given that he does not want Google to 'spy', it's unlikely that the OP
> > will want/enable Location Services,
> 
> as it turns out, disabling that doesn't actually matter:
> 
> <https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/13/17684660/google-turn-off-location-hi
> story-data>
>   You may have assumed that turning off Google¹s Location History
>   option meant that Google is no longer tracking your movements. But
>   the reality is that Google can continue to collect location data and
>   even track you on a minute-by-minute basis, remembering your home
>   address, and other places you¹ve visited throughout the day, the
>   Associated Press reports.

  As usual, you don't pay attention to the context.

  The OP doesn't want Google spying on him, so - unless he's stupid - he
is not going to use Google products, apps (such as the (Google) Maps
example), services, etc..

  So the *real* context is an Android tablet without a Google account or
with a fake Google account (for using the Play Store). I recommend(ed)
the former.

  So the *only* Google stuff is Android (without any Google apps) and
*perhaps* a *fake* Google account and the Play Store.

  With/in *that* context, Google can get no personal information about
the user.

  EOD.

[...]

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#55606

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-09-07 12:40 -0400
Message-ID<070920181240240855%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55602
In article <pmucpi.brs.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > >   Given that he does not want Google to 'spy', it's unlikely that the OP
> > > will want/enable Location Services,
> > 
> > as it turns out, disabling that doesn't actually matter:
> > 
> > <https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/13/17684660/google-turn-off-location-hi
> > story-data>
> >   You may have assumed that turning off Google¹s Location History
> >   option meant that Google is no longer tracking your movements. But
> >   the reality is that Google can continue to collect location data and
> >   even track you on a minute-by-minute basis, remembering your home
> >   address, and other places you¹ve visited throughout the day, the
> >   Associated Press reports.
> 
>   As usual, you don't pay attention to the context.

that would be you.

>   The OP doesn't want Google spying on him, so - unless he's stupid - he
> is not going to use Google products, apps (such as the (Google) Maps
> example), services, etc..

android is a google product. or have you forgotten that part?

there's no need to use maps or other google apps. most non-google apps
include google analytics, and may check location data as well. and
that's in addition to what android, the os, is doing.

<https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/21/technology/google-data-collection/inde
x.html>
  Short of chucking your phone into the river, shunning the internet,
  and learning to read paper maps again, there's not much you can do 
  to keep Google from collecting data about you.
...
  The researchers claims that almost every move you make online is
  collected and collated, from your morning routine (such as music
  tastes, route to work, and news preferences) to errands (including
  calendar appointments, webpages visited, and purchases made).
  "At the end of the day, Google identified user interests with
  remarkable accuracy," the report states.
...
  "It's nearly impossible to do anything digitally without Google
  collecting data on you," said Kint.

tl;dr you're being tracked.

>   So the *real* context is an Android tablet without a Google account or
> with a fake Google account (for using the Play Store). I recommend(ed)
> the former.
> 
>   So the *only* Google stuff is Android (without any Google apps) and
> *perhaps* a *fake* Google account and the Play Store.
> 
>   With/in *that* context, Google can get no personal information about
> the user.

oh yes they can, and do. they're not fooled by a fake account. 

using a custom rom can minimize it (and not without compromises), but
it isn't zero.

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#55609

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2018-09-07 17:10 +0000
Message-ID<pmuif8.72s.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#55606
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <pmucpi.brs.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > > >   Given that he does not want Google to 'spy', it's unlikely that the OP
> > > > will want/enable Location Services,
> > > 
> > > as it turns out, disabling that doesn't actually matter:
> > > 
> > > <https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/13/17684660/google-turn-off-location-hi
> > > story-data>
> > >   You may have assumed that turning off Google¹s Location History
> > >   option meant that Google is no longer tracking your movements. But
> > >   the reality is that Google can continue to collect location data and
> > >   even track you on a minute-by-minute basis, remembering your home
> > >   address, and other places you¹ve visited throughout the day, the
> > >   Associated Press reports.
> > 
> >   As usual, you don't pay attention to the context.
> 
> that would be you.

  Nope. Read on.

> >   The OP doesn't want Google spying on him, so - unless he's stupid - he
> > is not going to use Google products, apps (such as the (Google) Maps
> > example), services, etc..
> 
> android is a google product. or have you forgotten that part?

  Exactly *which* part of

> >   So the *only* Google stuff is Android (without any Google apps) and
> > *perhaps* a *fake* Google account and the Play Store.

didn't you understand!?

  Moral: Read the *whole* post before sticking your foot in it.

> there's no need to use maps or other google apps. most non-google apps
> include google analytics,

  'most'!? <barf>

>			    and may check location data as well. and
> that's in addition to what android, the os, is doing.

  Who cares if some alleged non-google apps or/and Android is checking
location data of an unknown device with a fake 'owner'?

  Not that you have any *proof* of that actually happening. (No your
misinterpreting the references you gave, doesn't count as proof.)

[...]

> tl;dr you're being tracked.

  With the pesky little detail, that *in this context*, there is *no*
'you', just some fake name. Big fsck-ing deal!

> >   So the *real* context is an Android tablet without a Google account or
> > with a fake Google account (for using the Play Store). I recommend(ed)
> > the former.
> > 
> >   So the *only* Google stuff is Android (without any Google apps) and
> > *perhaps* a *fake* Google account and the Play Store.
> > 
> >   With/in *that* context, Google can get no personal information about
> > the user.
> 
> oh yes they can, and do. they're not fooled by a fake account. 

  Says you, but you don't/can't prove it.

  QED.

  HTH. HAND.  EOD^2. NK.

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#55632

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-09-08 17:51 -0400
Message-ID<080920181751421945%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#55609
In article <pmuif8.72s.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > > > >   Given that he does not want Google to 'spy', it's unlikely that the
> > > > >   OP will want/enable Location Services,
> > > > 
> > > > as it turns out, disabling that doesn't actually matter:
> > > > 
> > > > <https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/13/17684660/google-turn-off-location-hi
> > > > story-data>
> > > >   You may have assumed that turning off Google¹s Location History
> > > >   option meant that Google is no longer tracking your movements. But
> > > >   the reality is that Google can continue to collect location data and
> > > >   even track you on a minute-by-minute basis, remembering your home
> > > >   address, and other places you¹ve visited throughout the day, the
> > > >   Associated Press reports.
> > > 
> > >   As usual, you don't pay attention to the context.
> > 
> > that would be you.
> 
>   Nope. Read on.

nope. you fail to grasp how much google (and others) track people, even
when they try to avoid it.



> 
> >             and may check location data as well. and
> > that's in addition to what android, the os, is doing.
> 
>   Who cares if some alleged non-google apps or/and Android is checking
> location data of an unknown device with a fake 'owner'?

those who are concerned about not being tracked.

>   Not that you have any *proof* of that actually happening. (No your
> misinterpreting the references you gave, doesn't count as proof.)

there is no misinterpretation whatsoever and there's plenty of proof
out there. 

don't blame others because you failed to read and understand any of it.

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